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Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by Corrado »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #150

Really interesting. I can see a potential milestone Windows 10 S on an Arm V8 based laptop with all day battery+. Sort of a Surface RT but without any excuses. If Apple follows suit and creates a light weight, network centric laptop experience around iOS, then you'll have three contenders for the 'appliance' environment, ChromeOS, Windows 10 S, and iOS. Each with their own 'laptop' design ethic, Pixel, Surface, MacBo…

I think I might take this line of reasoning a bit further and have Apple actually come out with an ARM (A11?) powered computer. Given that you could put multiple ARM chips in a MBP I could see a whole lot of power for very little money. Another thought would be switching the Mac Mini to ARM.

Consequently, all this ARM talk has got to be making Intel nervous. I don't think now would be the best time to buy any INTC stock. :/

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by _wmd »

pjmlp wrote: post #204
Grazester wrote: post #79

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Fear not Windows Phone is just about dead.

My phones still make phone calls, do SMS, have Internet access and execute the apps I care about. Seems pretty alive to me.

I'm a 20+ year Linux/open source neckbeard and I prefer WP as the ideal balance between cost and a variety of ideals it doesn't seem possible to get outside of an iPhone.

My current Lumia 650 cost £60 refurbished, which is a tenth what I'd pay for the next best option. It's fairly trivial to stop a Windows Phone reporting your entire life history upstream, and unlike pretty much any Android handset I ever owned, this firmware receives constant security updates, as did its predecessor for the 3 years I owned it (old phone cost £120).

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by angryteabag »

I dont know much about where to find these chip or what I am looking for but...

http://i.imgur.com/mRdk6ZD.jpg

This is an ancient chip, however I also found MediaTek ones for ~ $10, which had 4 cores and were 1.6ghz SoC.

Sounds to me like we could seriously see $100 laptops that actually function soon.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by sangnoir »

0xFFC wrote: post #106
mihular wrote: post #100

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Which is, sadly, discontinued. It's still available for download though but the latest OS is 6.0 and many versions missing.

They pressured google. That was the point. Google does not give a flying fuck about developer experience. I am not saying that is wrong or right. I am saying this was the case for Google for many years. They just didn't give fuck about the experience. But look at the timing. Everyone was nagging on google for years about slow emulator. They didn't do shit for years. Microsoft released an emulator, which was superior…

> But look at the timing.

Coincidentally, that was around the same time that Microsoft filed an Amicus brief supporting Oracle (in Oracle v. Google) arguing that APIs should be copyrightable[1].

Did that Project Astoria implement Android APIs? Would Google go after Microsoft in court had they officially released this? My guess is "yes" to both these questions. Nothing says wilful infringement louder than submitting a legal document to the courts spelling out why you think what you're doing (Astoria) is wrong.

1. http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20130221153759...

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by NTripleOne »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #209
quickben wrote: post #200

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I think you are wrong on the Google front. Google did everything to please devs. Take apple for example, they won't think twice about refusing your app. Google OTOH, since the early days, lacked so much in the Appstore, that they let all sort of trash inside. They just wanted the devs more than quality.

Wait till you have someone file a wrongful copyright complaint against your Google Play App. Google took ours down two weeks ago and won't respond to our appeals despite clearly owning the copyright for all work done on the app.

Are you the developer of Frozen Elsa Anna Lego Movie Pregnant Tooth Extraction and Foot Doctor 7 by any chance?

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by IntelMiner »

tinus_hn wrote: post #139
sjark wrote: post #137

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The problem there if I am not mistaken is the CPU Virtualization extensions that can't handle multiple hypervisors using them at the same time.

That's true but it sure is convenient for Microsoft, and they are exploiting it as far as they can with the Credential Guard feature.

Sure is convenient for Red Hat, that you can't run KVM and Xen at the same time

Sure is convenient for VMware that you can't run Virtualbox and VMware Workstation at the same time

Absolutely a business decision by Microsoft, and not a limitation of the x86 chip

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by IntelMiner »

United857 wrote: post #206
Splines wrote: post #194

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Don't forget they also did Xbox (x86) --> Xbox 360 (PPC) emulation. It worked pretty decently well too.

Makes me wonder why they don't do original Xbox emulation on Xbox One -- seeing that both are X86.

Likely that the games would look rather poor when upscaled to 1080P from 240P/480i

Also probably licensing issues, for games with tech that old

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by nbevans »

0xFFC wrote: post #89

Please correct me If I am wrong. But I think with WSL and this, Microsoft proved they are much much more superior than Google and Apple when it comes to serious system software development (they have to be, they have developed one of the most complex Kernel of the all times and maintained and improved it for decades. Yes I am linux guy too. But Widnows Kernel is extremely complex and well architectured piece of softw…

I voted you up as it's rare a Linux man would show any kind of respect to the - actually very very good - NT kernel. Good post also.
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