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Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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It's a real problem. Are there any voice dialing programs for Android phones which do voice recognition locally and don't require Google services? That's the way it used to work until Google broke it so they could monitor all your dialing.

Google in 2007: Do no evil. Google in 2017: Skynet didn't build itself people! We need more ML training data!

I think ideas like shoehorning SMS into Hangouts (or vice versa?) are driven more by misguided bonus formulas than any overtly evil intent.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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I fought having a phone through to 2008 - now I'm reconsidering wanting one again if there was a pure messaging device right now with no voice - I'd bite their hand off I don't need a mobile browser or even apps - all they do is stop me from disconnecting from work for a few minutes or hours - I don't think always-on is good for anyone over time

Not trying to be an ass but isn't the device you want called a 2 way pager?

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Or that just means that we still call the device in our pocket a "phone" for legacy reasons. If we are okay with having a third party handles our messages, VoIP etc, why not the phone app?

You could call it a mobile, which is about as common in Britain as calling it a phone. (The full name being a mobile phone.)

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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I fought having a phone through to 2008 - now I'm reconsidering wanting one again if there was a pure messaging device right now with no voice - I'd bite their hand off I don't need a mobile browser or even apps - all they do is stop me from disconnecting from work for a few minutes or hours - I don't think always-on is good for anyone over time

I'm sure you can find an android device that has a physical keypad, root it and disable any call or mobile data functionality while keeping SMS intact.

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I completely disagree with the title. The fact that "telephony" can be an app on the phone is a WONDERFUL thing. It means that the author of this article has a choice, as opposed to NOT having a choice.

Every choice induces stress. Sometimes we really need to be able to make that choice, but requiring choice or having too much choice overwhelms people.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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This why we need [edit] GDPR. Next time someone tries to harvest my personal data using an "all-inclusive" EULA I'm going to sue his ass in EU-land.

GPDR is actually GDPR in case you are trying to read up on what that means and don't know already.

Which is the EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)[0]

[0] - http://www.eugdpr.org

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't carry a phone in my pocket, I carry a personal computer that also makes voices calls over cellular networks.

I've been joking lately that there is a new one syllable word for "personal computer": phone. At the current rate that's how the language will shift. I suppose we'll know if people start referring to things like "macOS deskphones" and think "laptop" always meant "laptop phone". :) It's like those futurist ads from the 50s (and 80s/90s) AT&T that soon there will be phones capable of amazing things everywhere in our li…

> Then again, I'm also strongly for renaming 3D Printers to facsimile machines because the word fax is too useful to lose to ancient toner-based modem printers.

Then maybe we really will be able to "receive a fax at the beach"[1] in the future!

[1]: http://mentalfloss.com/article/50105/you-willsend-fax-beach

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Or that just means that we still call the device in our pocket a "phone" for legacy reasons. If we are okay with having a third party handles our messages, VoIP etc, why not the phone app?

I call the device in my pocket an iPad mini, and it doesn't even come with a 1st party phone app (unless you count FaceTime audio).

I can still make/receive occasional calls on it via Google Voice. But I use it much more as a mobile computer, and appreciate the bigger screen.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google in 2007: Do no evil. Google in 2017: Skynet didn't build itself people! We need more ML training data!

I think ideas like shoehorning SMS into Hangouts (or vice versa?) are driven more by misguided bonus formulas than any overtly evil intent.

This holds for virtually all evil.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't carry a phone in my pocket, I carry a personal computer that also makes voices calls over cellular networks.

Obligatory link to Cory Doctorow's 'War on General Computing': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg

This was new to me, thank you!

The video helpfully has a transcript: https://github.com/jwise/28c3-doctorow/blob/master/transcrip...

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