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Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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post #8

I completely disagree with the title. The fact that "telephony" can be an app on the phone is a WONDERFUL thing. It means that the author of this article has a choice, as opposed to NOT having a choice.

I'll be Mr. Reasonable Compromise. It's both a wonderful thing and a risk. Which of those two it becomes depends on the entire ecosystem around installable apps, trust and verification.

I've never had a problem with 3rd party dialers on Android. But I can smell a scam and I'm technically literate.

To the best of my knowledge there's never been a major dialler related security mishap. In fact much of the panic about Android's "malware ridden ecosystem" seems overblown. Nobody I know has ever had an issue to the best of my knowledge.

But it's definitely a possibility and it's highly probable that eventually something bad will happen on a large scale without some better controls - albeit hopefully not the type that Apple imposes. Cost vs benefit and all that.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

#12

Or that just means that we still call the device in our pocket a "phone" for legacy reasons. If we are okay with having a third party handles our messages, VoIP etc, why not the phone app?

I don't carry a phone in my pocket, I carry a personal computer that also makes voices calls over cellular networks.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

#16

Or that just means that we still call the device in our pocket a "phone" for legacy reasons. If we are okay with having a third party handles our messages, VoIP etc, why not the phone app?

It's a small tablet, really.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

#17
I fought having a phone through to 2008 - now I'm reconsidering wanting one again

if there was a pure messaging device right now with no voice - I'd bite their hand off

I don't need a mobile browser or even apps - all they do is stop me from disconnecting from work for a few minutes or hours - I don't think always-on is good for anyone over time

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

#18

Disagree entirely. The stock phone app is likely the least used app I keep on my phone.

My main point is actually that I am forced to use this dialler without my consent. I am not trying to say that users shouldn't be able to customise the system but I am opposed to manufacturers forcing data-hungry 3rd party programs on customers.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Well in the end modern smartphones are just general purpose computers which have some artificial restrictions on what you can do with them and happen to have a touchscreen/modem/speaker/microphone etc.

So the dieler just being a app is a direct consequence from smartphones not being any kind of "special/magical" embedded device.

Through silently overriding the Dialer with a program I would normally suspect to be malware which sneaked on my phone is a horrible think to do...

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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post #6

It's a real problem. Are there any voice dialing programs for Android phones which do voice recognition locally and don't require Google services? That's the way it used to work until Google broke it so they could monitor all your dialing.

Google in 2007: Do no evil.

Google in 2017: Skynet didn't build itself people! We need more ML training data!

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