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Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by pcurve »

cm2187 wrote: post #41
SCdF wrote: post #20

Just don't travel there. I'm sure I'd be fine: I've been fine a dozen times before. That was before they decided that it was OK to demand passwords and so on. Maybe now it would be worse. Or maybe my skin colour lets me off the hook. Regardless, I'd rather just not waste jet fuel on flying to a place that treats anyone this way. Your phone/tablet/laptop is, for better or worse, a gateway to your entire life. It conta…

For me it's less the risk of being search than the massive queues in US airports that turn me off. Feels like queuing for food in Moscow in the Soviet area, just to take a plane.

Flying into JFK from abroad, going through customs even as American is one of the more depressing things in life. It is such an unwelcoming sight and experience.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by ItendToDisagree »

kyrre wrote: post #98
apexalpha wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GF traveled to the US for work, a conference in Houston. Everyone that looked Arab of Muslim was 'randomly' picked out of line. Some of the employees had to undress and squat in front of the TSA and one had to undergo cavity searches. These were regular European citizens. Let's just say conferences will be help in Europe or Canada in the future...

I'm calling bullshit on this story. I can't find any reports of TSA conducting these types of cavity searches. Ever.

Perhaps they are confusing TSA with CBP?

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by hdhzy »

lukealization wrote: post #88
r3m3mb3rm3 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you can say that you have some accounts but you don't remember the password anymore: "I'm just logged in from my computer at home. If I delete the cookies I don't know if I would be able to get the password again"

This is genuinely applicable to me. I don't remember any of my passwords since I'm logged in at most places via cookies, and my passwords are completely randomized strings two dozen or more characters long, stored in a password manager. Do border security understand how password managers work, or would I have to tell them how to access my own data? Showerthought: If I delete my password manager from my phone, maybe t…

I suspect they understand how password managers work and either ask you for access or take your hardware and fiddle with it off-screen (Evil Maid attack? [0]). Otherwise if they don't like you they just send you back home and that's it.

[0]: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/10/evil_maid_att...

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by Markoff »

HappyTypist wrote: post #64
apexalpha wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GF traveled to the US for work, a conference in Houston. Everyone that looked Arab of Muslim was 'randomly' picked out of line. Some of the employees had to undress and squat in front of the TSA and one had to undergo cavity searches. These were regular European citizens. Let's just say conferences will be help in Europe or Canada in the future...

Are you serious? Strip and cavity searches? This needs to be on the media.

it's not that uncommon even in Europe to be honest, if you will find German policeman who had bad day and you drive car with foreign (PL, CZ mostly) license plate you can be searched same way under suspicion of carrying drugs and you can do nothing about it and it's happening occasionally

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by hrrsn »

emeidi wrote: post #111

I've traveled from Zürich to Los Angeles on Good Friday (April 14, 2017) for leisure - my first visit since February 2016 and thus my first trip to Trump's 'murrica. I was joined with my dad who recently retired and never has left the continent - his first long haul flight and first time to the US. I feared and prepared for the worst and I even was debating about leaving my iPhone, iPad and MacBook Air at home to avo…

I went through LAX for the first time in December 2016. The immigration line was long and took about an hour to get through but other than that it was pretty painless.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by prawn »

microtonal wrote: post #45
8draco8 wrote: post #10

I live in Europe. From my perspective going to US looks like going to some kind totalitarian country. First I have to got visa which is not automatically approved because I'm Polish not British. Then I have to go trough a lot of, mostly pointless, security checks, checking social accounts, interrogations, scans and manual personal revisions. On any stage of that I can be handcuffed and sent back to Europe for almost…

We had serious plans to go on holiday to the US this year. I have been in the US at least a dozen of times, and absolutely love the desert states, Oregon, and Washington. Entering the US was already a large hassle, but with Trump's travel bans, rumors of phone, laptop, and social media checks, we have decided to postpone our travel plans until the political/security climate improves. Semi-related: we were in the mark…

I hope that this sort of decline puts downwards pressure on flight and accommodation prices so it's cheaper to visit.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

mstade wrote: post #96
benevol wrote: post #67

> "Don't Travel With Work Data" Why would I value my personal data any less than my work data ? So what this rally means is: "Don't Travel With Any Data". And knowing that they only need to plug an infected USB device into your PC/phone/tablet to infect the latter irrevocably, the situation can now be summed up as: "Don't Travel With Any Data Or Any Hardware ". Now what does that say about the sate of a country?

Recall that these are instructions to employees – the company's first obligation is to protect the company, not the employees. Wiping work data is simply a means of limiting liability. Should sensitive data leak out due to a laptop getting seized at the border that's a lot more serious to the company than if your nudes were stolen.

Contrast this with my employer's advice: cooperate fully with the authorities, our lawyers can and will defend the company, we are more concerned about your safety.

Telling people to work travel and then telling them to not bring work data seems like you should have told them not to travel at all?

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by fzzzy »

raftaa wrote: post #21
Markoff wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

maybe just stop traveling to US would be easier and cheaper solution, why one need to be physically present anywhere in 2017? i find it odd, i can understand it for my father that when some of his agricultural company partners has training, people from neighboring countries must travel there for hours to stay there for few hours and go back, but IT company in 2017? reminds me of Huawei which is still organizing telec…

Because the costumer wants some of the developers on site to see that they are actually working on his problems.

Except they can't tell if they are actually working on their problems.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by s_kilk »

mugsie wrote: post #58
jdietrich wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have to travel to the US, fly via Shannon Airport in Ireland. A special arrangement with the Irish government allows you to pass through US immigration and customs controls while you're still on Irish soil. When you arrive in the US, you're treated as a domestic passenger. You don't avoid the intrusive interrogations, but they're a lot more polite about it because they can't detain you. If you're refused entry…

Dublin airport also has the same arrangement - it makes travelling much easier.

And if we're honest, Dublin is a better airport than Shannon

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by Sacho »

laGrenouille wrote: post #101
microtonal wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So only about 27% of all eligible voters actually voted for Trump. The remaining 43% voted for 'I'll take whoever wins'. So, ~72% of the eligible voters can be held accountable for him becoming president. Those are the rules for democracy, so he is the legitimately elected president. Definitely, it is legitimate, even if we don't like the outcome ;).

Not really a fair statement given the oddities of the electoral college. I know a lot of people in big coastal cities (New York, Boston, LA, San Fransisco, Seattle) who don't vote but are very anti-Trump. They know it doesn't matter because their states were always going to go strongly for the Democrats.

It seems like those people didn't feel the electoral college was problematic. Otherwise, voting would have exposed the vast discrepancy between popular opinion and the college. Even if Hillary had won, that demonstration could be used to spur reform of the election process.
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