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Re: CEO of ThinkPenguin, Inc arrested for filming police

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Post by rdiddly »

pklausler wrote: post #174
coldpie wrote: post #33

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The ACLU maintains a list of such applications: https://www.aclu.org/feature/aclu-apps-record-police-conduct

I have my state's version of the "Mobile Justice" app, but I worry that it doesn't really stream into the cloud in real time, so a badged thug could erase the evidence by destroying the phone before it got a chance to upload after the recording was complete. We'll need a true streaming upload app once the pigs figure this out.

Nagging question - why would this need to be state-specific?

Re: CEO of ThinkPenguin, Inc arrested for filming police

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Post by reitanqild »

IslaDeEncanta wrote: post #270
reitanqild wrote: post #161

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Honest question: Are you serious? I can think of a number if situations in a number of jobs I have had were people following me around could have been dangerous (farm hand, concrete work etc).

I didn't ask how following around a concrete worker could be dangerous.

But - in my opinion obviously - if following even someone like me around might be dangerous in certain situations then definitely I can see how it might be dangerous to follow police around?

That said, I am not saying you shouldn't be allowed to folliw police at a safe distance, at a safe speed, recording what you see etc as long as it isn't obvious that they are doing something that temporarily needs to be kept secret.

Re: CEO of ThinkPenguin, Inc arrested for filming police

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Post by jamra »

scott_karana wrote: post #172
nailer wrote: post #26

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FB live, Instagram live, YouTube live (though YouTube limit it to only certain users because they've timid). Everyone does this now.

All of those sites are easily bullied with subpoenas, DMCA takedowns, etc. A gag order preventing the public from seeing your evidence would really hurt your case. :(

If your facebook friends downloaded and reshared the video, it may be the only defense.

Re: CEO of ThinkPenguin, Inc arrested for filming police

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Post by simonh »

s73ver wrote: post #204
simonh wrote: post #139

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>And why shouldn't they? Because one person (cop or not, doesn't matter) breaking the law over here doesn't in any way justify unreasonable harassment of another person (cop or not) over there? Let me put it another way, how is this behavior intended to improve policing in America, and do you think it has a chance of doing so?

Given the complacency cops have toward the indiscretions of other cops, I can't agree with that. Perhaps if the good cops worked harder to root out the bad cops, instead of hiding behind the thin blue line, I'd agree.

Are you arguing that there are no good cops, only bad cops and all cops deserve to be treated by default as the worst cops?

Re: CEO of ThinkPenguin, Inc arrested for filming police

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Post by simonh »

stale2002 wrote: post #220
simonh wrote: post #139

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>And why shouldn't they? Because one person (cop or not, doesn't matter) breaking the law over here doesn't in any way justify unreasonable harassment of another person (cop or not) over there? Let me put it another way, how is this behavior intended to improve policing in America, and do you think it has a chance of doing so?

It improves policing because now police know that they will always be watched. And any excessive force or mistake that they engage in will be trending on YouTube in under an hour. So you better be damn careful.

The problem is this isn't a video in which cops are watched, it's a video of cops being unreasonably harassed. Those are two very different things

Re: CEO of ThinkPenguin, Inc arrested for filming police

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Post by s73ver »

simonh wrote: post #274
s73ver wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the complacency cops have toward the indiscretions of other cops, I can't agree with that. Perhaps if the good cops worked harder to root out the bad cops, instead of hiding behind the thin blue line, I'd agree.

Are you arguing that there are no good cops, only bad cops and all cops deserve to be treated by default as the worst cops?

I'm arguing that if there are good cops, they need to prove it. And the best way they can prove it is to stop protecting the bad cops.

Re: CEO of ThinkPenguin, Inc arrested for filming police

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Post by pnathan »

mrstone wrote: post #183
pnathan wrote: post #132

Interesting how the prevailing mood on HN is very much pro-cop. Kind of surprising for a hacker forum. You don't really see what a system is made of until you stress it: filming police is one way to stress the LEO system. It's an unfortunate reality that it often does not produce good results.

I'm not sure it's so much pro-cop as it is anti-asshole. The guy in the video was acting like a total turd, and that's not cool.

> I'm not sure it's so much pro-cop as it is anti-asshole. The guy in the video was acting like a total turd, and that's not cool.

Demanding the cops be impartial is in opposition to giving them latitude to be jerks to jerks. We demand our police be impartial. It's part of their training.

The best cop is the one who acts the same to the polite citizen and the jackass citizen: no favoritism. It's a justice system, which is blind.

Re: CEO of ThinkPenguin, Inc arrested for filming police

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Post by pnathan »

codezero wrote: post #150
pnathan wrote: post #132

Interesting how the prevailing mood on HN is very much pro-cop. Kind of surprising for a hacker forum. You don't really see what a system is made of until you stress it: filming police is one way to stress the LEO system. It's an unfortunate reality that it often does not produce good results.

I think this is generally because of the audience here – I know there's a solid international contingency, but the US one is likely biased by privilege and hasn't experienced police corruption/harassment first hand like lots of less privileged people have, so they assume bad cops are an outlier and not part of an institution which props them up. I was definitely one of those people until recently, and it unfortunatel…

imo, HN (and programming in general) has shifted from the highly skeptical-of-authority descended-from-hippie culture to one where authority/power is celebrated and lionized. It might be said that the old business programmer culture has eaten up hacker spaces.

I've never had a bad experience with a cop: I'm as almost privileged as it can come demographically. I just know that they are not always acting in your own best interests. History teaches us about power and the abuses thereof: and I read a lot of history.

Re: CEO of ThinkPenguin, Inc arrested for filming police

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Post by eruditely »

nickpsecurity wrote: post #106
lohengramm wrote: post #81

Seems like the guy calls himself a "copchaser" and is used to actuallly chase police officers, annoyingly record their action and make sure to insult them while teaching them a lesson about how to do their job. And he calls all that "standing his ground". I am sure police officers can be jerks or even completely criminals, but this guy really seems to be crossing the line of common sense. Source: the YT channel himse…

"Seems like the guy calls himself a "copchaser" and is used to actuallly chase police officers, annoyingly record their action and make sure to insult them while teaching them a lesson about how to do their job. And he calls all that "standing his ground"." That's what I was seeing in the video I watched. Dude is a disgrace to activists. Last thing we need is more people acting like that toward police in a way that m…

ie a demand for us to be excessively passive and make their be an asymmetry in favor of the aggressor, ie why girls like criminals now, while they just to like knights before, the good guys, anyways, what you advocate men to do would be cede the asymmetry in favor of aggressors/criminals, police & criminals (same group of people, if you've ever had those sorts of friends they often just decide to try to be a cop later to maintain a few things, anyways, we cannot seed any situation to these people.

anyways, my father's house was just broken into, a few other things happened, and we have enough cops, but stuff still isn't being taken care of, anyways, the most important part is the courage to contest

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Post by eruditely »

jtuente wrote: post #102
ajross wrote: post #71

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Genuinely confused about this morality. Why is it more correct that the officers "went home to their families" than that this innocent guy died in front of his? I mean, I can understand arguing that sometimes protective violence is necessary and accepting that tragedies happen. But you're literally taking a side here and saying that police lives are more important than ours. Why?

It's not a rationalization that police lives are more important, but rather about the stupidity of holding up a phone in such a way towards the police engaged in a dangerous situation that it appears as though you are acting aggressively towards them. The officers only have a limited time to assess the threat of any given person before more lives are lost due to an unknown danger. It's a high stress situation and wro…

Military's are more than professional, get paid less, and still risk your life much more, being a LEO is not harder than being in the military.
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