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Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by bmpafa »

FabianBeiner wrote: post #478
karlkatzke wrote: post #313

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I worked for a company that nearly acquired unroll.me. At the time, which was over three years ago, they had kept a copy of every single email of yours that you sent or received while a part of their service. Those emails were kept in a series of poorly secured S3 buckets. A large part of Slice buying unroll.me was for access to those email archives. Specifically, they wanted to look for keyword trends and for receip…

Probably (and hopefully) only a matter of time until someone starts to work on an Open Source version of Unroll.me.

til then, i wrote a script that'll let you unsub from everything at once before you close your unroll.me account.

https://goo.gl/B4HLPX

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by kkyryl »

michaelmior wrote: post #516
kkyryl wrote: post #514

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Hmm, makes sense. I went ahead and added it under pricing. Thank you :)

Awesome :) Minor nit, the grammar you're currently missing an article. It should be "Cleaning the first 1,000 emails is free!"

that's the thing about quick fixes lol :)

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by kkyryl »

michaelmior wrote: post #516
kkyryl wrote: post #514

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Hmm, makes sense. I went ahead and added it under pricing. Thank you :)

Awesome :) Minor nit, the grammar you're currently missing an article. It should be "Cleaning the first 1,000 emails is free!"

fixed that too. thank you again.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by kkyryl »

jh00ker wrote: post #520
kkyryl wrote: post #447

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ugh. I have "Yearly pricing to the homepage" sitting in my to-do list for a few weeks :) so – there's yearly pricing (and it starts with 14.99 / year (I know, this looks really weird, but it took us some time to get to this pricing). now, whether it's valuable enough to justify the price – depends a lot on how you use your email. we've got users managing 3-5 accounts with hundreds of thousands of emails each and they…

Hey, quick fix: Just make Yearly the default option when the page loads, since the yearly options are the best price. Users to your site may just scroll through without clicking anything and only see the monthly prices (like I did).

this sounds like a great idea from the rational standpoint, but our data says otherwise. we've seen a conversion increase and generally more people started buying when we enabled monthly prices and again when we made them default. I have a few theories to back it up – but generally speaking pricing perception is emotional, not rational. looking at our prices you'd assume no one buys monthly, but about 40-50% of people do :)

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by kjs3 »

bethebutterfly wrote: post #519
karlkatzke wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked for a company that nearly acquired unroll.me. At the time, which was over three years ago, they had kept a copy of every single email of yours that you sent or received while a part of their service. Those emails were kept in a series of poorly secured S3 buckets. A large part of Slice buying unroll.me was for access to those email archives. Specifically, they wanted to look for keyword trends and for receip…

AND I can tell you as a co-founder of the company this is 100% false.

So you don't store files in S3? Haven't diluted away your employees? Haven't been completely called out and had your execs admit the same? So we're way below 100%...what's left that actually is false?

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by MikeGale »

jacquesm wrote: post #415
karlkatzke wrote: post #413

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I'll quote what I said elsewhere: > I haven't been a part of that company for several years now, and did not have any legal agreements or first party relationship with either of the companies named above, and since the deal closed since with Slice it would be difficult for anyone to allege damages. And if all this disappears, then yes, someone did attack me legally over it. I don't like the business culture that has…

I totally agree. But , and this is a very big but: companies would no longer be open to potential acquisition partners during the due diligence phase of an acquisition if professionals in this space would talk publicly (or even at all) about what they find. I'm seriously conflicted about this because I too have seen some extremely horrible stuff in the last couple of years, some of which I'm quite sure would rock the…

We're in immoral waters here: 1) NDA's prevent most human's getting closer to the truth. 2) Selected audiences (the drinking friends you share details with) know that companies x, y and z are scammers and criminal, but most don't. 3) As a consequence companies that are immoral and fronted by the most skilled marketing liars thrive too much.

I say not doing evil to the rest of mankind trumps protecting the evil few.

Leaking systems that work seem like the moral road?

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by yuhong »

karlkatzke wrote: post #402
newsat13 wrote: post #389

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Just so you know, you have been quotes on gruber's article. Be careful about what you say on careful forum especially since your profile gives your contact information.

Thanks. I'll let it stand for now. I haven't been a part of that company for several years now, and did not have any legal agreements or first party relationship with either of the companies named above, and since the deal closed since with Slice it would be difficult for anyone to allege damages. On top of that, it should be very clear that everything I said is hearsay at best. If I had known the attention this woul…

I wonder how expensive it would be to keep full text of all modern multi-gig mailboxes anyway.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Post by hayd »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #376
cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #152

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Wow I think this unroll.me thing is the real scandal here. I am an unroll.me user, but had no idea they sell user data to companies this way. Their whole value proposition is to help people control their own privacy and now I kind of feel betrayed..

Did you pay money for unroll.me? Did you read the entirety of the TOU/EULA? How can you be so naive? If you're not the customer you're the product.

This is nonsense. What prevents you being the product even if you pay? Companies can still sell your data.

If unrollme made it clear they were making their money by selling every one of your emails in plaintext they'd never have signed up anyone.

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