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H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms

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Post by s73ver »

djrogers wrote: post #228
s73ver wrote: post #109

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"The hypocrisy here is truly disgusting. One moment, executive orders are the end of the world. The next moment, they don't mean anything at all." Talking about different orders which say different things, one which actually does change rules and one which simply directs an agency to "perform a study", doesn't seem hypocritical at all. >If a person can't see past this man's partisanship, then they are hopeless; when…

What he said was: "Like all the other executive orders, it’s just words" He didn't distinguish between two different orders here, he said all of the other ones were just words.

That interpretation is a huge stretch.

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Post by Rumudiez »

underdown wrote: post #388
Rumudiez wrote: post #222

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They generally don't have a clue, or sometimes have had job titles like "Software Engineer" but all they did was basic GUI testing, which is also the case at my company.

Is it possible you aren't offering a wage that attracts talent? You seem to be implying that Indian labor is smarter/more qualified than US labor. In my experience, (hiring in Phoenix) that is simply not the case if you're willing to pay the prevailing wage.

I believe that might be part of the problem, but when I joined under this same role I was being fairly compensated, so it might be mixed.

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Post by galkk »

inlinefordecade wrote: post #97
azakai wrote: post #92

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Actually Google spends more on lobbying than Microsoft, and has for a while now. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3024945/major-tech-companies-... Google spent almost twice as much as Microsoft in 2015, for example.

It is good that other companies are catching up. But, MSFT got the AWICA and AC-21 acts passed decades ago, which directly resulted in indentured servitude. MSFT lobbyists are the founders and architects of the "indentured servitude".

No idea what AWICA is, but AC-21, at least, is good thing for workers, because it allows to move between companies more easily.

disc: Work for Microsoft, run here from real body shop by using AC21 rule

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Post by johnnyb9 »

wcummings wrote: post #382
johnnyb9 wrote: post #252

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I have trouble believing students are paying less tuition because there is a greater demand from international students. If anything, the tuition would be higher. That international students are more profitable doesn't change the value of the degree or what everyone else is willing to pay for it.

Foreign students pay full tuition, domestic students rarely do. Simple as that. This applies to public and private schools. Universities deliberately recruit international students for this reason. I think parent is right, no international students likely means higher tuition for everyone else. If you're in doubt, ask someone who works in admissions, I expect they'll tell you the same thing.

My point is that international students may "subsidize" the university, but in practice this should have very little to do with what the university would charge its students (they are not "subsidizing" the domestic students). Implicit in your assumption is that tuition uses cost-based pricing which I find hard to believe. Admittedly this is all conjecture on my part but I don't find that line of reasoning persuasive.

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Post by ed_balls »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #151
ed_balls wrote: post #50

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I wouldn't be surprised if a good developer in Romania makes $40k a year (net salary) which is equivalent of $70k ($130k gross) in SF? The market is working.

No, it does not; in socialist Romania the tax is more than 60%, so the net is lower. The net salary for a good developer is ~ $25k.

You set up a company with 16% corporate tax.

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Post by flamedoge »

exabrial wrote: post #12

I'm totally fine with H1B Visa reform. Companies have abused it to pay qualified individuals far less than the average market wage.

People raising issue about minimum wage not being high enough don't realize this but the end-effect is that H-1Bs will just fill the low end of the spectrum because the visa itself is on the table no matter what. And maybe that's okay with some, but do realize what effect this is having in the market pool. Americans who are being paid near the minimum wage will most surely be affected.

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Post by s73ver »

ChemicalWarfare wrote: post #383
ouesp wrote: post #376

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Indian workers are worse off, because they pay the same amount of taxes as an American worker with no salary hikes or promotions. Stuck with the same job for years. No freedom of job portability. Spouses cannot work, always at the edge of relocating based on where the bodyshops deploy them. The H1B visa is for 6 years temporary stay, but the H1B worker pays for SSN which he have no use of.

well, they are "worse off" compared to their non-H1B counterparts here but are way better off being here as opposed to staying in India, which is why they are here in the first place.

Money isn't everything. Being put through the bodyshops, the stress of making ends meet on those low wages, and not really being able to do things outside work takes it's toll.

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Post by s73ver »

ra7 wrote: post #407
efitz wrote: post #404

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As an American, I am much more disposed to policy flexibility for people who want to become American citizens, and much less disposed to policy flexibility for immigrants who just want to get a high US salary for a few years, then take the net proceeds and go home.

The majority wants "immigrants" to go back. The president won an election based on that agenda. I'm not sure who to believe :)

More people didn't vote for Trump than did.

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Post by usernametbd »

HashThis wrote: post #188
usernametbd wrote: post #90

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Why is Microsoft villain? Does it provide its H1B employees below market salary? Genuinely asking as I've seen H1B employees at MS paid a huge salary, equal to their citizen counterparts, and also they've been freely jumping companies to get an even bigger pay raise.

Microsoft US citizen employees lost their jobs but first were forced to train their H1B replacements. I know some of these workers that lost their jobs and had to replace their H1B replacements at Microsoft.

Any evidence/article mentioning this?

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Post by ed_balls »

nradov wrote: post #128
ed_balls wrote: post #41

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You do auctions for 64k and 500 for startup founders. Then you set up an extra pool of 10k for startup employees. The company has to be younger than 6 years, raise at least 1 mln from venture capital and only 30% of the workforce could be on visas. It will make pseudo startups expensive to run by outsourcing companies.

Why should there be a requirement to raise venture capital? Some founders fund their own companies and are profitable from the start.

Because the outsourcing companies would set up a pseudo startup to abuse it. The solution is to make it expensive for them.
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