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How many jobs really require college?

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Re: How many jobs really require college?

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glorious racist sexist libertarian views How on Earth are you divining racism and sexism out of this article???

I mean people who say stuff like that are almost without fail racist sexist shitheads but I had to dig a bit further for proof: https://devinhelton.com/hate-group-history https://devinhelton.com/principles-of-formalism

Someone already replied towards the first link, so I'll address the second.

The only thing in that post that could be construed as sexist is 10th point:

> Humans were born unequal in talent and desires. The gifts of nature were not distributed equally among the sexes or various peoples. Governance systems must select for talent, and any such selection process will produce inequalities. The never-ending attempts to purge all such inequalites will eventually destroy the ability of the government to function. Men have natural abilities and disposition towards leadership. To deny this, to mandate equality of results, to push women into masculine roles, to domesticate and feminize men, only results in misery for both men and women.

One could pin the label of sexism on this if one thinks this is an indirect jab at inclusiveness and equality. Perhaps if the author had also paralleled and listed the qualities women have over men, he could've covered his bases.

It's more likely that the author holds more "traditional" views on gender roles, but without the prejudice and hate towards women commonly found in sexists.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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How many jobs require college is a fair question when you are young. But at the other end of life, I ask how many jobs would have taught you the same things as college. Lifelong education and self improvement is important. Whether it come from college, work, or somewhere else is not as important as just making sure it happens.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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Wew... You're asking me to explain why it's racist???

Because you're the one who made the claim, and I've already stated I am just now reading the article, yes-in fact I am. And let me offer some context for you here for a second: I am a black man. And there are elements of the black community that deserves some critique from within the black community, but is labelled prima facie as "racist" by individuals engaging in what I've learned to call "performative wokeness" w…

> If you're going to "push back", there should be a reasonable expectation of resistance from people who want an honest, earnest and intelligent debate. Otherwise, IMO you're just putting on performances.

I'd like to think it's more like venting than performance, but fair criticism, and thanks for the thoughtful response. Intelligent debate just doesn't sound like fun when so much of the HN crowd is like the guy from this article.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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> The most elite companies in the valley have correctly found out that remote doesn't work There are enough companies out there with remote employees and even remotely distributed teams to disprove the assertion that "remote doesn't work".

Remote doesn't work. I know, I work remote with people in 4 continents across 6 timezones. It simply doesn't work. You can't teach people, you can't train people, you can't show anything over a phone or a chat. On top of that, as soon as you have different timezones with little to no overlap. You cannot synchronise or work with your colleagues at all. Remote work and remote teams should be limited to people who are a…

Do you have any other proof than your single anectdotal evidence? No?

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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> The most elite companies in the valley have correctly found out that remote doesn't work There are enough companies out there with remote employees and even remotely distributed teams to disprove the assertion that "remote doesn't work".

Remote doesn't work. I know, I work remote with people in 4 continents across 6 timezones. It simply doesn't work. You can't teach people, you can't train people, you can't show anything over a phone or a chat. On top of that, as soon as you have different timezones with little to no overlap. You cannot synchronise or work with your colleagues at all. Remote work and remote teams should be limited to people who are a…

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Re: How many jobs really require college?

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I think the author of this post is making the same mistake that a lot of other people (particularly smart folks) make whenever they are thinking about the ills of modern education system and what can be done to improve it. Like Peter Thiel and others, I don't think they understand how and why students are failing in classrooms today. Take for example the author's suggestions on how school systems can be improved: Cre…

I experienced pretty much the exact opposite of what you're saying. Most of the skills I have I learned by researching/studying by myself. College was mostly useless to me. And I'm much more productive when working remotely. So obviously, people are configured differently.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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The premise of this post is that the author has performed an analysis of the educational requirements for jobs and can extrapolate from it. But this author thinks that only a grade school education and not more than 6 months of training is required to be a cook --- a profession people go to post-secondary school for --- and that some college study is required to be a programmer. How seriously should I take their conc…

"Cook" is a very broad set of jobs. For the basic "chef's assistant" job then grade school and on the job training is probably fine. You wouldn't be surprised if a high-school student got a job like that.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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If your job doesn't require college, then pretty soon it won't require a human either. The more brain required the longer you have until a robot or computer can do it better.

It's gonna be a long time before we can automate the trades.

Pretty much everything they do is non-repetitive except at the lowest level.

Re: How many jobs really require college?

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Remote doesn't work. I know, I work remote with people in 4 continents across 6 timezones. It simply doesn't work. You can't teach people, you can't train people, you can't show anything over a phone or a chat. On top of that, as soon as you have different timezones with little to no overlap. You cannot synchronise or work with your colleagues at all. Remote work and remote teams should be limited to people who are a…

Do you have any other proof than your single anectdotal evidence? No?

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Re: How many jobs really require college?

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If your job doesn't require college, then pretty soon it won't require a human either. The more brain required the longer you have until a robot or computer can do it better.

It's gonna be a long time before we can automate the trades. Pretty much everything they do is non-repetitive except at the lowest level.

Complete automation sure. Tools and techniques that remove a lot of direct labor? Those have already had a big impact on trades.
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