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> I wonder what this means for Mir vs Wayland as well. In my understanding, GNOME Shell doesn't support Mir, only X11 and Wayland, so.
https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-mir.html
TIL, thank you!
Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
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#152This is awesome. When that "What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14002821 was up recently, I wanted to say "Get rid of the abomination that is Unity" but figured it'd just be flamebait. Little did I know how close my dreams were to coming true!
Gnome (for major versions > 2) is even worse than Unity though. They should've chosen an actually usable DM like Cinnamon.
I do not agree. I've been using ubuntu gnome for over a year now, and with a few extensions (dash to dock), which are officially supported, I find it extremely usable and stable.
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#153GNOME has been doing some really cool stuff as of late ( http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/top-features-in-gnome-3-2... ). I'm still using Cinnamon, because I still like the look a bit more, but it's getting harder to ignore all of the excellent features GNOME provides, including: - Drive support for file manager - Gmail/Outlook support for GNOME accounts and built-in calendars - Working Wayland implementation I'm h…
GNOME has been doing some really cool stuff as of late ( http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/top-features-in-gnome-3-2... ). Do you really think that? To me, this is just a collection of really old stuff and features that should be a matter of course. Case in point: " the headline feature" (adjusting the color temperature of your display depending on the time of day) is something that has been around for years one way…
Case in point: "the headline feature" (adjusting the color temperature of your display depending on the time of day) is something that has been around for years one way or the other on all operating systems.
But not in Wayland. I'm happily using Redshift in Cinnamon (one of the other things keeping me on Cinnamon), but the fact remains that having it built into the distro makes it more readily accessible to everyone.
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#154"Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence" Translation: "We don't really care that much about Linux on the desktop because it's not making us much $$$." Dear Canonical, Your actions are a huge let down to the community. You caused a lot of strife with the move away from Gnome to Unity in 2010, and now you're ripping the rug out from under even more users after feeding us crap about converge…
1. You say that Canonical's move from Gnome to Unity in 2010 caused a lot of strife. 2. Now they're undoing that step. Shouldn't you be happy rather than disappointed?
Yeah, I can understand how that's confusing. I meant to convey two things:
1. I mean to imply that it was a waste - they created a bunch of controversy, and for what? If they were not committed to Unity for the long-haul, they should never had made the switch away from Gnome in the first place.
2. In the intervening years since 2010, a ton of people have come to use Unity and gotten used to it instead of Gnome, and now Canonical is pulling the rug out from under those people. This whiplash, knee-jerk approach is just a horrible way to treat your users and is very disappointing.
This behavior reminds me of MS forcing Metro UI on people in Windows 8 for years and then (mostly) abandoning it without ceremony in Win 10. I don't expect MS to care about anything other than the bottom line, but I had hoped for more from Canonical.
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I know - however these things are seldom demarcated on merit and more on ideology. I wish the next generation of linux has a single package manager :(
I think in case of Snap, it is part of money making server business. So it is less likely Canonical is going to give up on that.
(Disclaimer: I don't work for Canonical, I just use Ubuntu for my work.)
I think it will end up like so:
* apt/dpkg will remain the base packaging software on desktop and server. They're well-tested and familiar.
* flatpak will become the primary format for installing desktop software outside of repo. This'll be nice for some large open-source projects that cause grief for distro packagers, and will also give companies a single target for major Linux desktops. Flatpak is too narrowly-targeted to replace snap in all cases snap was designed for.
* snap will become a mechanism for image-based application deployment, primarily IoT.
* docker/lxd/whatever will be used to target immutable deployments, primarily servers.
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#156I may be a minority, but I am very saddened by this. Not because I have any particular love for Unity, but rather I share Mark's conviction that convergence is the future. Love or hate it but Unity was IMO the best shot we had at getting an open source unified phone, tablet and desktop experience...and now this is effectively Canonical not only shutting down Unity, but refocusing efforts away from convergence and tow…
As someone who applauds this pivot, I never saw much value in the whole convergence idea. Why would I want my laptop and phone to be the same device? This seems to follow the misguided idea in software that if two ideas are similar, just make a single generic idea that solves both problems. But then you get into leaky abstractions and have to make lots of sacrifices to get it working well for both use cases.
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#157I can't tell you how happy I am to see convergence dying. My desktop is not just a big phone and people put out some atrocious user interfaces in the name of "convergence". WRT to unity, at least it's improved. Ubuntu w/ unity currently has the best multi-monitor multi-dpi user experience I've seen on linux. I have a retina laptop with 2 external displays and ubuntu unity is the only thing that just works out of the…
> My desktop is not just a big phone and people put out some atrocious user interfaces in the name of "convergence". I agree. Sadly, GNOME's huge controls also seem to be optimised for touch screens. There are several semi-maintained hacks to reduce the padding throughout the DE: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/TbVt04mk52I/A... It's a mess. I wish GNOME just automatically looked like the bottom screens…
Blame the theme for that one. It a legitimate gripe since it's the default but themes like Arc and Numix greatly tone it down.
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#158This is awesome. When that "What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14002821 was up recently, I wanted to say "Get rid of the abomination that is Unity" but figured it'd just be flamebait. Little did I know how close my dreams were to coming true!
Gnome (for major versions > 2) is even worse than Unity though. They should've chosen an actually usable DM like Cinnamon.
I'm an happy GNOME3/Wayland user, with a few extensions GNOME3 is very good.
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#159Not really news, saying "linux distro chases ideas to rewrite instead of sticking to one thing and fixing it and that's why linux desktop won't ever happen" is like saying "grass is green".
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#160Firefox OS also (briefly) pivoted to IoT after their mobile efforts failed. Is this a natural pattern?