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Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by jhasse » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 7:33 PM UTC

CaptSpify wrote: post #137

jhasse wrote: post #120

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> Have you tried using that? Yes, works fine and there are a lot of awesome apps, e. g. https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=osm&fdid=net... or https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=youtube&fdid... > Android without Google play is still an exercise in frustration. What are your pain points? Because not being able to install most of the apps in the Play Store also applies to Ubuntu Phone.

> What are your pain points? Because not being able to install most of the apps in the Play Store also applies to Ubuntu Phone. Mostly being able to find OOTB tools that I want. I use f-droid on my android and I usually end up just going back to the play store to find anything worthwhile. The Ubuntu phone gives me a real OS that I can just "apt-get install" something, then make a shell-script or something similar to…

> Mostly being able to find OOTB tools that I want. I use f-droid on my android and I usually end up just going back to the play store to find anything worthwhile.

Okay but to be fair: If you had the Play Store on Ubuntu Phone you would probably also go there a lot more often. Especially for OOTB experiences ;)

> The Ubuntu phone gives me a real OS that I can just "apt-get install" something, then make a shell-script or something similar to fix my problem. Android's shell-system is a joke, which makes sense as they don't really want it to be usable. Ubuntu's shell system is much better, which means I can fix the problems that I come across myself.

That sounds nice indeed!

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by masterleep » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 7:34 PM UTC

pmoriarty wrote: post #10

Now if they could just abandon systemd.

systemd is the best. May it never die.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by Grue3 » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 7:38 PM UTC

Growing Ubuntu for [current buzzword] rather than [last year's buzzword].

Why not just build it for server and desktop because that's what Ubuntu is best at, and not chase the latest fads?

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by mwj » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 7:40 PM UTC

jononor wrote: post #139

geodel wrote: post #109

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I think in case of Snap, it is part of money making server business. So it is less likely Canonical is going to give up on that.

But then you're competing with Docker images. Not that Docker is that amazing, but I just don't see why anyone would want to use Snap instead of Docker?

Containers are for a completely different use case than system packages.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by cwyers » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 7:40 PM UTC

Grue3 wrote: post #143

Growing Ubuntu for [current buzzword] rather than [last year's buzzword]. Why not just build it for server and desktop because that's what Ubuntu is best at, and not chase the latest fads?

> Why not just build it for server

What do you think Cloud means?

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by Grue3 » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 7:41 PM UTC

dumbmatter wrote: post #104

This is awesome. When that "What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14002821 was up recently, I wanted to say "Get rid of the abomination that is Unity" but figured it'd just be flamebait. Little did I know how close my dreams were to coming true!

Gnome (for major versions > 2) is even worse than Unity though. They should've chosen an actually usable DM like Cinnamon.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by walterbell » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 7:42 PM UTC

ThatGeoGuy wrote: post #18

I get that they're moving away from convergence, but what does this ultimately mean for Ubuntu as a mobile OS? In the grand scheme of things, what does this mean for users who want a completely FOSS stack for their phone (let's ignore the baseband for now)? As far as I can tell, this just means that your only options are Android or iOS. It's not easy to get a Jolla/SailfishOS phone that will work on most Canadian or…

http://neo900.org

>The Neo900 project aims to provide a Fremantle (Maemo™ 5) compatible successor to the N900, with a faster CPU, more RAM and an LTE modem. This is all based on a free, mature and stable platform - the GTA04. We'll provide complete, ready-to-use devices, as well as motherboard replacements for your current devices. Most importantly, the Neo900 is an open platform, carrying on in the tradition of the Openmoko project. Neo900 will support all operating systems available for GTA04 (QtMoko, SHR, Debian, Replicant, ...)"

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by groks » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 7:44 PM UTC

steveklabnik wrote: post #64

Afforess wrote: post #11

Damn. From the horses mouth: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cl... I might be a small minority, but I _like_ Unity 7. I have never used Unity 8, and I thought the Ubuntu phone was misspent effort, but wow. Now I have to figure out if there is a way to style Gnome to look like Unity 7. I wonder what this means for Mir vs Wayland as well.

> I wonder what this means for Mir vs Wayland as well. In my understanding, GNOME Shell doesn't support Mir, only X11 and Wayland, so.

https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-mir.html

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by rrdharan » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 7:45 PM UTC

ZenoArrow wrote: post #80

dullroar wrote: post #63

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I, too, want competition in this space. Unfortunately, Tizen got some bad press this week: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/04/samsungs-tizen-is-ri... . The past year has not been good for Samsung on so many fronts.

If code quality is an issue, at least people who want an open-source phone OS can work on fixes: https://source.tizen.org/ I don't see many other options emerging. It's possible that a community-led effort to finish work on Unity 8 (and possibly port it to Wayland) may emerge, but that would only solve the phone UI issue, the main problem holding back open-source phones is likely to be closed bootloaders and lack of…

Doesn't really help that there's a source website if there's not a sane process for actually submitting PRs and merging patches, and apparently there isn't one.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by CaptSpify » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 7:48 PM UTC

kleiba wrote: post #127

tradesmanhelix wrote: post #100

"Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence" Translation: "We don't really care that much about Linux on the desktop because it's not making us much $$$." Dear Canonical, Your actions are a huge let down to the community. You caused a lot of strife with the move away from Gnome to Unity in 2010, and now you're ripping the rug out from under even more users after feeding us crap about converge…

1. You say that Canonical's move from Gnome to Unity in 2010 caused a lot of strife. 2. Now they're undoing that step. Shouldn't you be happy rather than disappointed?

Why not both?

I'm happy they are dropping it, but disappointed that they started altogether. That's a lot of time we as a community could have been working together, but weren't. I can be disappointed in those "lost" years, but happy that we're done with them.