Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue • Hacker News Board

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by FabHK » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 4:13 PM UTC

gph wrote: post #56

telesilla wrote: post #11

I truly love the country of México - I have spent a large periods of time there for the climate, as a place to work and have a wonderful life, away from the chills of winter. I often thought about making a permanent relocation, but this terror is too real and I found myself living in constant anxiety of my friends and colleagues being in danger, and the fear of speaking your mind weighs on you after a while. I am sad…

>may things improve for you, though I really have no idea how that will happen. I think a good first step would be changing attitudes towards drug use. We should treat users as patients instead of criminals. And waging a 'war' against dealers and smugglers has only made them more violent and dangerous, while driving up prices and making those who survive even wealthier. There needs to be smarter policies.

Many current policies are entirely misguided and counterproductive, indeed.

Tom Wainwright, former Mexico correspondent of The Economist, has an insightful and entertaining book on this, Narconomics: How to Run a Drug Cartel.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by lorenzhs » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 4:17 PM UTC

avar wrote: post #301

teddythetwig wrote: post #297

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I have to say, you are really over exaggerating. Gun violence is just not a reality you have to be worried about here. Amsterdam is nothing like any US city where I've lived(in terms of violence on a daily basis), and The Netherlands as a whole is extremely safe.

As another resident of Amsterdam. I don't think your impression of the situation really matches up with statistics. Look at these two articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r... http://projects.oregonlive.com/ucc-shooting/gun-deaths Here you can see the gun death rate in The Netherlands per 100k inhabitants is 0.58, but there's some areas in the US where the rate is quite comparable. Wha…

I'm sorry, but the lowest group for that US graphic you linked is higher than the number of the Netherlands (0.58 gun deaths, 0.29 of which are homicides, both per 100k). The lowest groups are 2-7 and 0.5-1.4, respectively, both of which are significantly higher than the value for the Netherlands. In fact, your link shows the exact opposite of what you claim: there isn't a single county in the US that has lower gun death or gun homicide ratio than the entirety of the Netherlands. That's an exaggeration, too (there isn't data for all counties), but it doesn't diminish the point that you're by far less likely to get shot in the Netherlands than in a comparable US city.

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Post by kakarot » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 4:20 PM UTC

Pica_soO wrote: post #272

I wish there was some mafia approach to rebuild a civil state. This is our house, our block, our town, we avoid interacting with people who support the corrupt government and we do not interact with Narcosi. Just shut out all strangers, isolate people who pose a long term thread to your community. Shun the restaurant, where the cops eat, walk your dog to where the drug dealers are. Create small economy's, which do no…

Walk our dogs to the dealer's house but not touch drug money? Could you clarify this seeming contradiction?

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Post by paxcoder » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 4:23 PM UTC

telesilla wrote: post #11

I truly love the country of México - I have spent a large periods of time there for the climate, as a place to work and have a wonderful life, away from the chills of winter. I often thought about making a permanent relocation, but this terror is too real and I found myself living in constant anxiety of my friends and colleagues being in danger, and the fear of speaking your mind weighs on you after a while. I am sad…

I wouldb't call social conservatism bad nor "national pride" good. And I wonder if poverty isn't behind the wealth

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Post by hinkley » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 4:23 PM UTC

vetinari wrote: post #273

sametmax wrote: post #249

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Well, there is a huge difference between Europe and the US/Mexico: most people don't have guns. You will rarely see anybody with a weapon here. If you get attacked, it will be with fists, sometime a knife. Having the possibility that somebody pulls a gun on you is crazy to me, like something that should only happen in a movie.

You would be surprised, how many guns are there in Europe[1]. However, if you carry gun, it must be hidden, otherwise you could lose your permit. Breaking law with legally held weapon is a rare thing (who would like lo lose it, right?). If someone breaks law with the gun, it will be illegal one. [1] Except Britain. They can legally have only long guns, without cartridges. Basically only for hunting.

Everyone and their mums has a rifle.

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Post by hackermailman » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 4:24 PM UTC

Cyph0n wrote: post #173

_delirium wrote: post #110

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My very limited experience with Mexico City is that I'd treat it like many U.S. cities: it's fine, if you know which areas to avoid after dark, and which areas to avoid entirely. It is not like a safe European city center where you can go almost anywhere alone on foot at any time of day. But most U.S. cities don't fit that description either. And it's not at the other extreme that some people imagine, some kind of So…

If you want to see truly safe cities, even by EU standards, check out Hong Kong, Singapore, Dubai, or Doha.

This article is more about systemic state corruption though and not petty street crime. There's still gangsters in Singapore and Hong Kong, and if you worked at a newspaper writing about them and their connections to politicians you would have problems. If you decided to start writing about the prostitution racket in Dubai you could disappear pretty quick too.

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Post by always_good » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 4:26 PM UTC

Cyph0n wrote: post #211

srtjstjsj wrote: post #209

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Safe for tourists, not for residents. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/may/27/dubai-...

Yep, their human rights track record is terrible, but even with that, Dubai is still safer than most other large cities. What do you mean by "tourists"? Did you miss the part where I say that I lived in the UAE for 14 years?

Dubai is plenty safe unless you're a woman getting raped aka enjoying sex outside of marriage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_Marte_Dalelv

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Post by akurilin » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 4:26 PM UTC

distances wrote: post #339

akurilin wrote: post #169

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Speaking of Italy, you'd be hard pressed to feel endangered in Rome, Milan, Turin etc. Naples can get a bit sketchy, but even then. Switzerland and Austria also seem pretty relaxed in my experience.

Perhaps not physically threatened, but I've been pick-pocketed both in Rome and Naples. In that regard I definitely feel much safer in, say, Berlin.

Not surprising at all, in Italy Naples is infamous for being the city where things disappear unless they're well nailed down.

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Post by Cyph0n » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 4:29 PM UTC

hackermailman wrote: post #356

Cyph0n wrote: post #173

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If you want to see truly safe cities, even by EU standards, check out Hong Kong, Singapore, Dubai, or Doha.

This article is more about systemic state corruption though and not petty street crime. There's still gangsters in Singapore and Hong Kong, and if you worked at a newspaper writing about them and their connections to politicians you would have problems. If you decided to start writing about the prostitution racket in Dubai you could disappear pretty quick too.

I was replying to a comment about crime in Mexico City, not the article.

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Post by hackermailman » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 4:31 PM UTC

drawkbox wrote: post #231

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #81

It's us , the USA, that is causing this paper to shutdown. The cartels are financed by the insatiable drug appetite of its close neighbor. Our inability and/or unwillingness to legalize recreational drugs is the feeding tube for these vicious groups.

The War on Drugs is now taking down free press in other countries, it is has gone too far for too long. It is essentially funding terror and when you see the billions being made in only a few states such as Colorado with 1+ billion in 2016 [1]. Large amounts of wealth, probably 50-100+ billion going to cartels in the south annually to fund very bad things. Prohibition always creates a criminal black market that becom…

Colorado will make much more than that too, since when legalizing governments option for the lowest taxes possible in order for people to not return to the black market. Give it 5 years when the black market for weed disappears almost completely and full taxes are applied like they are to booze/cigarettes and could easily triple that amount in Colorado.