Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue • Hacker News Board

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by Sunset » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 6:25 AM UTC

coredog64 wrote: post #28

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #9

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Minor nit: where I live, we have freedom of the press. We do not have a special class of people called journalists. You have the right to publish anything you like without fear of retribution from the government or anybody else. This, along with the freedom to assemble, allows minority opinions to flourish through peaceful persuasion. It also allows sunlight into actions of criminals and the government. The crime aga…

> You have the right to publish anything you like without fear of retribution from the government or anybody else. In the US, 1st amendment freedoms only protect against government retribution. There is nothing stopping someone from misinterpreting a tweet and getting you fired, nor is there anything to prevent someone digging up what causes you support outside of work and using that as cause to harass your employer…

>digging up what causes you support outside of work and using that as cause to harass your employer into firing you.

Tortious interference needs to come back in a big way while Trump is in office. Maybe put some harsh jailtime for it.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by adrienne » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 6:31 AM UTC

duncan_bayne wrote: post #54

mschuster91 wrote: post #25

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I generally agree with this point of view, but a look into history (you don't even have to go back to Hitler or Stalin - the last 10 years should be enough!) proves that "free speech without limits" as done in the US is a path to disaster. For what its worth, there are not small groups of people running around with Hakenkreuz flags and SS uniforms in the US. A dishonor to all the victims of the Third Reich. Please do…

You seem fairly free with your criticism of American free speech, considering _they_ didn't birth Mussolini, Hitler or Stalin.

Hitler got basically all of his ideas about eugenics from the US. In a very real sense we did "birth Hitler".

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by netmask » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 7:03 AM UTC

well actually the "El Norte" news paper was about to close much before that the journalist was murdered, the thing is that specific newspaper was in a thigh relation with the ex chihuahua governor( now fugitive ) Cesar Duarte, the owners of the newspaper takes this tragic to get some political tax against the new governor from the oposition Javier corral

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by reason_police » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 7:07 AM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #145

hwillis wrote: post #116

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I don't think so. What I'm thinking is that "state green cards" would let you live in one state, and your residence will be checked up on periodically. If you don't live there, or if you're found in another state without a visa, you become an illegal immigrant, and fall under the purview of the federal immigration services. This has very little negative changes- since many/most illegal immigrants are here on overstay…

You're right that overstays are a big problem. Now imagine how much worse it would be if every state got to choose who comes in. The federal government tries real hard to issue visas only to people who won't break the law. They're not entirely successful, but the bar is decently high. The Syrian refugee hypothetical would have a different problem altogether. The opposition to admitting refugees isn't economic, it's a…

> You're right that overstays are a big problem

How exactly are overstays a problem? It's just a person existing in a geographical area longer than the Mafia controlling it would prefer.

All this "theorycrafting" about how best to coerce people for the greater good is silly.

Blah-de-blah-de-blah the government this and the states that and then "we" make everyone do X and Y because Z and then there will be much rejoicing because people have been successfully coerced for the greater good!

Like if I show up at your door each day and force you to skip on one foot for 5 minutes, at gunpoint, that's good because you might not get enough exercise otherwise!

Anyone can see that would be crazy, but when you talk about some huge, gray abstract masses of people, then it's just fine to intervene in their lives in countless different ways.

How about "we" protect people from becoming drug addicts through a certain harmless "gateway drug" by threatening them with life-ruining prison sentences for using/possessing said gateway drug?

Oh wait, "we" tried that already. It didn't "work"[1], and actually WE had no say in any of it!

[1] Unless, of course, the real goal was to hand everyone else's money to the prison industrial complex, in which case it worked splendidly!

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by ctz » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 7:48 AM UTC

Cyph0n wrote: post #173

_delirium wrote: post #110

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My very limited experience with Mexico City is that I'd treat it like many U.S. cities: it's fine, if you know which areas to avoid after dark, and which areas to avoid entirely. It is not like a safe European city center where you can go almost anywhere alone on foot at any time of day. But most U.S. cities don't fit that description either. And it's not at the other extreme that some people imagine, some kind of So…

If you want to see truly safe cities, even by EU standards, check out Hong Kong, Singapore, Dubai, or Doha.

Dubai is really not safe for unmarried couples. It's a total non-starter, even for a holiday.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by kbart » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 7:56 AM UTC

komali2 wrote: post #74

itsmemattchung wrote: post #7

> The committee reported that since 1992, 38 journalists have been killed with the motives for the slayings confirmed as reprisals for their work. Based on that figure, the group ranked Mexico as No. 11 of the 20 deadliest countries for journalists. I cannot imagine living in a country where posting something online, like a silly blog post, risks my life.

Are you sure? Any American that's written something controversial inevitably will tell the story of the death threats they received after. JK Rowling got them for writing about child wizards. Planned Parenthood supporters get them. Trump electors have gotten them. Kim Kardashian (ugh) got them for a tweet supporting Israel. It's easy to find lists of Americans that have received death threats, but much harder to find…

Receiving "death threats" from some thirteen years old troll is not quite the same as people actually getting kidnapped, tortured and killed by cartels on semi-regular basis.

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Post by schoen » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 8:10 AM UTC

anoonmoose wrote: post #198

tedunangst wrote: post #166

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I've always been kind of curious how the people who fill threads with quotes work. Do they have macro hot keys? A spreadsheet of quotes? (In some cases, the first google result for a quote is a page explaining that the quote is fake, so either they have some system that avoids google or they just ignore results they don't like.)

I think it's more of a birthday paradox type of deal...you get enough people in a thread, it becomes increasingly likely that at least one knows of a long-ass quote that is relevant to the situation.

The birthday paradox might not be a good technical analogy: the number of ways to collide grows quadratically, while the number of people who can individually think of quotes grows linearly.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by tim333 » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 8:13 AM UTC

hwillis wrote: post #171

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #162

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It's very easy to make AK-like and AR-like guns. Even if it's correct that the majority come from the US, they certainly wouldn't have to. Many hobbyists even do this kind of thing, and it doesn't require any particularly special manufacturing equipment. My guess would be that the reason they seize more ARs than AKs is not related to the source, but because they find ARs preferable. If somehow guns stopped flowing ac…

>It's very easy to make AK-like and AR-like guns. Preface: I know guns, I like guns, I am a competent machinist and I know all about lowers, gun laws, and the shovel AK. It is not easy to make guns. You need huge factories and while the cartels are theoretically capable of such things, its incomparable to US-based gun manufacture. Mexican factories can be shut down. Mexico can do nothing about guns that come from the…

I agree it's not easy but you can do it without a huge factory as they have been doing in Darra Pakistan for decades

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/town-ak-47-sells-les...

I was there a while ago - it's a fun place and for a few dollars you can take an AK out behind the shack and let rip. Usually the tourists use Russian ones and they are less likely to explode on you than the local copies.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by sametmax » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 8:21 AM UTC

_delirium wrote: post #110

telesilla wrote: post #58

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My friends are thinkers and challengers of the system: it's for them I am more worried, that they can't speak freely. I could move to Condesa and live a protected life, but that's just colonialism (using my spending power to put a cocoon around me with Uber and private parties). That's not the México I'm interested in. I've also been mugged rather violently there anyway on Calle Amsterdam, (though no worse than Barce…

My very limited experience with Mexico City is that I'd treat it like many U.S. cities: it's fine, if you know which areas to avoid after dark, and which areas to avoid entirely. It is not like a safe European city center where you can go almost anywhere alone on foot at any time of day. But most U.S. cities don't fit that description either. And it's not at the other extreme that some people imagine, some kind of So…

Well, there is a huge difference between Europe and the US/Mexico: most people don't have guns. You will rarely see anybody with a weapon here. If you get attacked, it will be with fists, sometime a knife. Having the possibility that somebody pulls a gun on you is crazy to me, like something that should only happen in a movie.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by realusername » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 8:22 AM UTC

Cyph0n wrote: post #211

srtjstjsj wrote: post #209

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Safe for tourists, not for residents. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/may/27/dubai-...

Yep, their human rights track record is terrible, but even with that, Dubai is still safer than most other large cities. What do you mean by "tourists"? Did you miss the part where I say that I lived in the UAE for 14 years?

You are probably not an Indian construction worker.