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Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by rtpg »

ralfd wrote: post #130
_delirium wrote: post #110

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My very limited experience with Mexico City is that I'd treat it like many U.S. cities: it's fine, if you know which areas to avoid after dark, and which areas to avoid entirely. It is not like a safe European city center where you can go almost anywhere alone on foot at any time of day. But most U.S. cities don't fit that description either. And it's not at the other extreme that some people imagine, some kind of So…

As a European that sounds terrible! That it is not as bad as a lawless warzone in a failed African state isn't much consolation??

I remember reading some anecdote from an Iraqi at the peak of the war. They talked about how most of the time you're totally safe, but every once in a while a bomb will go off and a bunch of people will die.

There's a spectrum of danger that a lot of us have had the privilege to not experience. I could imagine getting mugged in some places in Europe, but not really imagine dying in the "mugging gone wrong => someone is dead" scenario you hear about in the US.

And of course the idea that I might get killed in a traffic stop is something I have the privilege to not experience.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

hwillis wrote: post #76
djsumdog wrote: post #62

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I think America should stop buying drugs from Mexico, shipping them guns and promoting the violence. Garry Webb and Michael Rupert were two amazing reporters that brought to light the reality of the CIA funded cocaine trade from South and Central America, and most people today have either never heard of them or dismiss them as crazy. The reality is the CIA still funds itself with cocaine and still causes violence sou…

>shipping them guns This is occasionally obfuscated, but it is utterly true. There are basically two kinds of guns (of the kind you can use to enforce this "war") in the world stage: AK-like (Russian, eastern European, and Chinese included) and AR-like (MXX(X) and modified civilian, from dealers and left over from military/agency operations). The AR-like guns are extremely common in Mexico, and they obviously are all…

It's very easy to make AK-like and AR-like guns. Even if it's correct that the majority come from the US, they certainly wouldn't have to. Many hobbyists even do this kind of thing, and it doesn't require any particularly special manufacturing equipment. My guess would be that the reason they seize more ARs than AKs is not related to the source, but because they find ARs preferable.

If somehow guns stopped flowing across the border, and cartels still wanted them, they'd be up and running in no time. I'd be surprised if they aren't already doing it, because they have other operations that require much more sophistication.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by NumberCruncher »

djsumdog wrote: post #62
gph wrote: post #56

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>may things improve for you, though I really have no idea how that will happen. I think a good first step would be changing attitudes towards drug use. We should treat users as patients instead of criminals. And waging a 'war' against dealers and smugglers has only made them more violent and dangerous, while driving up prices and making those who survive even wealthier. There needs to be smarter policies.

I think America should stop buying drugs from Mexico, shipping them guns and promoting the violence. Garry Webb and Michael Rupert were two amazing reporters that brought to light the reality of the CIA funded cocaine trade from South and Central America, and most people today have either never heard of them or dismiss them as crazy. The reality is the CIA still funds itself with cocaine and still causes violence sou…

The US is not the only one promoting violence: http://www.insightcrime.org/news-analysis/how-german-firearm...

German firearms are also used in the middle east conflict despite of the "strict weapon export regulations".

Nothing new in politics since 2000 years: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by Sniffnoy »

foldr wrote: post #79
Sniffnoy wrote: post #43

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I think the more relevant distinction here is between feeling unsafe and being unsafe. Or perhaps between feeling unsafe in that you fear that that people will call you names online, versus feeling unsafe in that you fear that people will kill you.

>Or perhaps between feeling unsafe in that you fear that that people will call you names online, versus feeling unsafe in that you fear that people will kill you. reply OP's links referred to multiple instances of threats of rape/violence. No-one is suggesting that the situation is directly comparable to the situation of journalists in Mexico (OP has clarified that), but let's not use euphemisms like "name calling" o…

This is a good point. I tried to hedge a bit around the exact distinction, and you're right that I messed it up. Still, there seems to be pretty clearly a real distinction here.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by fre-d-die »

LeanderK wrote: post #142
pdog wrote: post #133

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> It is not like a safe European city center where you can go almost anywhere alone on foot at any time of day. Which European city are you referring to? The major European cities (e.g., Paris, London, and Berlin) don't fit this description either.

don't agree with berlin either, of course some areas are more criminal (almost anywhere), but going on foot alone is still possible, even at night and i've been to most of the trouble-spots. Also: Munich, it's unbelievable safe, more boring than berlin, but safer.

Personally I feel that Berlin gives off an unsafe feeling on your first few nights but you as you stay longer you start to see there is no reason for it, I mean I remember going past a train station at night and some guy was playing some pots as drums, while some man sat cross legged with a beer listening. And another time walking up a dodgy back alley into a lively square with an outdoor cinema

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by tedunangst »

kbenson wrote: post #140
brilliantcode wrote: post #94

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If anyone doubts the contents of the quoted text, they can copy paste it into Google and discover numerous websites pointing at it. That will guide you to the right source. Possibly someone downvoted it because they fall under the same establishment or an offspring of that 'Murica generation. edit: I don't understand the downvotes. This comment contains instructions on how to find the desired source of my original co…

> This comment contains instructions on how to find the desired source of my original comment which was actually published and publicized in printed media. Then why is it so hard to include it yourself? It's poor form to make statements from sources and omit those sources. Unless you typed that from memory, you had one of those sources handy when you made the comment, so you could have included it easily, rather than…

I've always been kind of curious how the people who fill threads with quotes work. Do they have macro hot keys? A spreadsheet of quotes? (In some cases, the first google result for a quote is a page explaining that the quote is fake, so either they have some system that avoids google or they just ignore results they don't like.)

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by tedunangst »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #81

It's us , the USA, that is causing this paper to shutdown. The cartels are financed by the insatiable drug appetite of its close neighbor. Our inability and/or unwillingness to legalize recreational drugs is the feeding tube for these vicious groups.

Don't forget about our insatiable need for margaritas and the lime cartels.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by pier25 »

telesilla wrote: post #58
ggregoire wrote: post #24

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> I truly love the country of México [...] but this terror is too real and I found myself living in constant anxiety of my friends and colleagues being in danger To be fair with Mexico, those issues don't affect the whole country. Mexico City is pretty safe for example. If you want to travel to Mexico, here is a list of states and cities to avoid: https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings...

My friends are thinkers and challengers of the system: it's for them I am more worried, that they can't speak freely. I could move to Condesa and live a protected life, but that's just colonialism (using my spending power to put a cocoon around me with Uber and private parties). That's not the México I'm interested in. I've also been mugged rather violently there anyway on Calle Amsterdam, (though no worse than Barce…

I've been living in Mexico for 8 years. I'm from Europe and married to a Mexican woman. I've lived in a couple different states (DF, Edo. Mexico, Queretaro, Veracruz, Quintana Roo).

I've never once felt not safe, or seen violence.

I see the news and I really wonder if I'm living in a different country.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by akurilin »

pdog wrote: post #133
_delirium wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My very limited experience with Mexico City is that I'd treat it like many U.S. cities: it's fine, if you know which areas to avoid after dark, and which areas to avoid entirely. It is not like a safe European city center where you can go almost anywhere alone on foot at any time of day. But most U.S. cities don't fit that description either. And it's not at the other extreme that some people imagine, some kind of So…

> It is not like a safe European city center where you can go almost anywhere alone on foot at any time of day. Which European city are you referring to? The major European cities (e.g., Paris, London, and Berlin) don't fit this description either.

Speaking of Italy, you'd be hard pressed to feel endangered in Rome, Milan, Turin etc. Naples can get a bit sketchy, but even then. Switzerland and Austria also seem pretty relaxed in my experience.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by hwillis »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #149
hwillis wrote: post #126

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>To make that effective you would have to eliminate federal birthright citizenship, or anyone could easily make their children US citizens (and then too many would). This is irrelevant; you can do this on a visa just as easily. Additionally, this exists for a reason even if you don't like it. If anything it reduces the incentive to do this, because you can get 99% of the benefits without doing it. Regardless all you…

> This is irrelevant; you can do this on a visa just as easily. Additionally, this exists for a reason even if you don't like it. If anything it reduces the incentive to do this, because you can get 99% of the benefits without doing it. Regardless all you have to do to make this birth-neutral is make it as hard to get a state green card as it is to get a visa. The whole premise is that some states want to make it eas…

>The whole premise is that some states want to make it easier than that. What is a state green card even for if it's just redundant with an existing H1B visa and doesn't increase the total number of immigrants whatsoever?

Look, here's some perspective. The US annually admits:

65,000 H1B visas

70,000 Refugee visas

~200,000 nonfamily immigration visas

~675,000 undetected illegal immigrants

675,000 immigration visas total

9-11 million nonimmigrant visas

If you want to just drop a kid down so they become a citizen, it is a hundred times easier to do it on a travel visa and it always will be. Regardless of how many state green cards there are, it will always be orders of magnitude easier to get a travel visa, hop on a plane, and stay under the radar for a couple months.

The H1B visa is incomparable to a state green card on numbers alone, but it also puts this decision into the hands of a small subsection of employers, which is completely divorced from the desires of the states. It's basically different in every way.

When I said immigrants pay more into taxes than they take out that was was a statement of fact[1], not opinion. They pay the same taxes as us and see severely reduced benefits, even at very low incomes. Cut federal benefits entirely for them and require the states to pay if you like. It's a tiny problem.

As for political unpalatability over finances and scaremongering, there are still plenty of solutions. Forcing states to pay for their green cards is constitutionally tricky, but theres no reason those people need to get federal benefits. If cross-border crime and employment is a problem it would be pretty trivial to have an exclusion zone on the border of states that don't want immigrants. Immigrants wouldn't be able to have residences in that area.

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocum...

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