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Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by ifdefdebug »

bflesch wrote: post #259
sametmax wrote: post #249

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Well, there is a huge difference between Europe and the US/Mexico: most people don't have guns. You will rarely see anybody with a weapon here. If you get attacked, it will be with fists, sometime a knife. Having the possibility that somebody pulls a gun on you is crazy to me, like something that should only happen in a movie.

Most people who are into doing criminal things actually have guns here in Europe. Our open borders allow people to drive a trunk full of guns from Turkish border directly to Berlin, and they regularly catch guys doing that. Only the people who get attacked don't have any guns, and they get fucked up.

> Only the people who get attacked don't have any guns, and > they get fucked up.

If you fail to take regular firearm training, combat training or to acquire the necessary mindset for a gunfight under live threat, then you are even more fucked if you try to use that gun you are carrying to make you feel safer...

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by sametmax »

bflesch wrote: post #278
_pmf_ wrote: post #271

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> Most people who are into doing criminal things actually have guns here in Europe. Speaking for the western part: no they don't. No even close to the majority of criminals have guns (I don't dispute that they have easy access, though). You'll be hard pressed to find street robberies at gun point in Germany, France and the northern countries.

Oh shut up. I live in Cologne, there are gang/biker shootings and robberies with guns every week. Police is always too late.

My brother live in frankfurt and even in the worst part in the city, with people injecting heroin in the street, you never get even bothered by anybody.

In France you hear about guns, but I lived in 8 different cities there, and I never been near any gun attack. None of my friends or relatives either.

If you have gun here, people look at you in a strange way.

Everytime me or my bro got in trouble, it was fist fighting. I got a knife once. Some of my friends got messed up. Fist again. In france, the UK, germany, Italy and spain.

I don't say there are no guns. I'm saying that it's not even of the same scale of occurrences than in the US.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by briandear »

sametmax wrote: post #249
_delirium wrote: post #110

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My very limited experience with Mexico City is that I'd treat it like many U.S. cities: it's fine, if you know which areas to avoid after dark, and which areas to avoid entirely. It is not like a safe European city center where you can go almost anywhere alone on foot at any time of day. But most U.S. cities don't fit that description either. And it's not at the other extreme that some people imagine, some kind of So…

Well, there is a huge difference between Europe and the US/Mexico: most people don't have guns. You will rarely see anybody with a weapon here. If you get attacked, it will be with fists, sometime a knife. Having the possibility that somebody pulls a gun on you is crazy to me, like something that should only happen in a movie.

Mexican gun control laws are far stricter than anything in Europe. You can get years in prison for even a single unauthorized bullet.

Mexico is a case study of how gun control can lead to an increase in danger for the population. Gun control can be nice in "civilized" places, but in Mexico, even the police are on the take. Justice in Mexico consists of avoiding the "Justice System" at all costs.

I lived a year in Chapala and even there we had cartel shootouts where police were among the bad guys. If you are a potential victim of violence, the police are the last people you'd usually call. It's often every man for himself -- so that results in nearly every house having high walls, razor wire fences, bars on every window, "alarm dogs" on rooftops.

My wife if from Guadalajara and we spend a lot of time there but it isn't Texas. In Texas, a home invasion is often met by a bullet from the homeowner, in Mexico you just better hope your wall is harder to climb than your neighbor's.

That being said, Mexico IS a great place -- but it's great because of the culture and people -- the government on the other hand, is a disgrace. The odds of it every changing are slim to none because part of Hispanic culture is a sense of fatalism and "it's God's will" kind of thinking. Mexican Catholism bears a huge blame -- there's a conditioned helplessness. Not to mention the cartels are among the Church's biggest benefactors! This isn't the thinking necessarily among the more cosmopolitan Mexicans, but that represents a minuscule minority. However, even among the educated, there a overriding sense of pessimism -- starting a business in Mexico is quixotic -- as soon as you get some income, everyone starts chipping away at it trying to get their share.

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Post by dredmorbius »

jakebasile wrote: post #44
mschuster91 wrote: post #17

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> People should be able to express those ideas as well No. There is no place in the world for antisemitism, homophobia or other right-extremist views. These "opinions" are direct threats to people. And when the state, as it often does, fails to protect the marginalized, then in my opinion nearly anything is acceptable to stop these "opinions" from being expressed. We in Germany already have seen what happens when you…

You don't beat bad ideas by stifling them, that doesn't work. Beat ideas with better ideas. And once you cede authority over what is ok speech to someone else, you may not continue to agree on that definition.

That's the premise, but it stands up poorly under examination.

Simple, explicit, appealing and emotional arguments and messages beat out complex, tacit, unattractive, and logical ones.

Messages with massive organisation and resources behind them can dominate disorganised or uncentralised attempts to counter them.

Attempting to reput or fact-check specific claims operates relatively poorly.

The consequence has been that many regimes, and philosophers, including those who generally promote free speech, such as John Stuart Mill himself in "On Liberty", put conditions and limitations on the concept:

It is a piece of idle sentimentality that truth, merely as truth, has any inherent power denied to error, of prevailing against the dungeon and the stake. Men are not more zealous for truth than they often are for error, and a sufficient application of legal or even of social penalties will generally succeed in stopping the propagation of either. The real advantage which truth has, consists in this, that when an opinion is true, it may be extinguished once, twice, or many times, but in the course of ages there will generally be found persons to rediscover it, until some one of its reappearances falls on a time when from favourable circumstances it escapes persecution until it has made such head as to withstand all subsequent attempts to suppress it.

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/On_Liberty/Chapter_2

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by sametmax »

diamondo25 wrote: post #256
sametmax wrote: post #249

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Well, there is a huge difference between Europe and the US/Mexico: most people don't have guns. You will rarely see anybody with a weapon here. If you get attacked, it will be with fists, sometime a knife. Having the possibility that somebody pulls a gun on you is crazy to me, like something that should only happen in a movie.

Living in the Netherlands, I know that people with bad intentions most likely have guns. Even in my small hometown, a citizen that owned a spy equipment store got shot up in daylight in front of his home. Other example would be people getting robbed in their house with guns (not daily, but it happens). There are plenty of other examples... I cannot say I feel 100% save most of the time.

If you have a gun you are not safer. It leads to escalation and more people die. We are not at war, guns are not the solution.

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Post by dredmorbius »

gozur88 wrote: post #85
gdulli wrote: post #78

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Are you saying you don't recognize the existence of fraud as a category of crime that the government already defines and can prosecute?

I don't recognize fraud as a category of crime related to a news story.

The rest of the world does.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/03/29/felony...

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by andrepd »

bflesch wrote: post #259
sametmax wrote: post #249

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Well, there is a huge difference between Europe and the US/Mexico: most people don't have guns. You will rarely see anybody with a weapon here. If you get attacked, it will be with fists, sometime a knife. Having the possibility that somebody pulls a gun on you is crazy to me, like something that should only happen in a movie.

Most people who are into doing criminal things actually have guns here in Europe. Our open borders allow people to drive a trunk full of guns from Turkish border directly to Berlin, and they regularly catch guys doing that. Only the people who get attacked don't have any guns, and they get fucked up.

Do you have anything to back that up or are you just gonna keep talking?

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Post by andrepd »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #208
ralfd wrote: post #130

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As a European that sounds terrible! That it is not as bad as a lawless warzone in a failed African state isn't much consolation??

Several continents have failed states: South America, Europe, Asia, and Africa.

What failed state is there in Europe?

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Post by drchickensalad »

rtpg wrote: post #224
adventured wrote: post #212

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The majority of the US has a murder rate comparable to Canada. The US has particularly extremely tilted murder rates based on location. Relatively small areas with hyper murder rates very substantially skew the numbers. A couple dozen neighborhoods in Chicago for example combine to account for about 2% of all murders in the US (with murder rates 50 to 100 times the national average). A minimum of 95% of the US popula…

what's the murder rate measured on? Chicago is already almost 1% of the population, so I don't see how the murder rate per capita is 50 or 100 times the national average. Also "200 million Americans don't even live in areas with bad stats" is another way of saying "100 million Americans live in areas with high murder rates"... seems like a larger issue than you're implying

Some neighborhoods != All of Chicago

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Post by andrepd »

Cyph0n wrote: post #211
srtjstjsj wrote: post #209

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Safe for tourists, not for residents. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/may/27/dubai-...

Yep, their human rights track record is terrible, but even with that, Dubai is still safer than most other large cities. What do you mean by "tourists"? Did you miss the part where I say that I lived in the UAE for 14 years?

"Yep they commit atrocious humans rights violations and systematically abuse migrant workers, but at least you can leave your car unlocked." And Mussolini made the trains run on time.
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