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New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by aianus »

mehaveaccount wrote: post #140
aianus wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ability to take risks (like starting a business or moving to a new city or country) is the biggest one. Otherwise: money, sleep, free time, dating pool shrinks significantly, peace of mind, ability to travel

What are you going to do with your extra money, sleep, and free time? You don't have to worry about the dating pool when you are married, something you should couple with who you are having sex with. Also the dating pool shrinks with age regardless. On ability to travel: most people eat sleep go to work go to the bathroom and spend time with their families (another reason the dating pool shrinks so significantly). An…

> I don't know what kind of peace of mind you get by living for your own pleasure

The peace of mind that my non-existent children cannot get hit by a car or get cancer or get killed in Iraq or any of the myriad worries that are at the forefront of every parent's mind.

> On ability to travel: most people eat sleep go to work go to the bathroom and spend time with their families

I'm lucky to have a lot of opportunities by living in a first world country with a high salary and a strong passport. It seems wasteful to give them all up just to live like 'most people'.

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Post by k-mcgrady »

giarc wrote: post #156
k-mcgrady wrote: post #62

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Depends I suppose. They're generally free from your local doctor/clinic/sexual health charity in the UK.

There can be a huge social stigma about walking into sexual health clinics. I'll provide an example. In my city, the old STD clinic was in a random building with mixed use (commercial, health, residential). The clinic was on the 5th floor and not marked. You only really knew it was a STD clinic if you had an appointment there. The clinic moved into a new building and were lucky to expand into a large space. Like many…

Interesting. Generational thing possibly? I'm mid-20's and those kind of things are talked about openly, even in mixed gender company.

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Post by stouset »

mehaveaccount wrote: post #118
mikeash wrote: post #78

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Oh, there are a ton of people complaining that female contraception encourages people to have sex they shouldn't be having. It's not usually framed in terms of STDs, but I'm pretty sure the STD argument here is just a cover for a moralistic argument anyway.

How sad that arguing virtue for its own sake is now politically incorrect.

Another term for "virtue for its own sake" is "completely arbitrary rules I feel better about myself through judging others by".

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Post by manmal »

nommm-nommm wrote: post #187
sergior wrote: post #125

This is great. Friend of mine has been tricked by a woman into having a baby and now he has to give away most of his money in form of maintenance. He used a condom, but she emptied it inside her when he was asleep after the sex.

I don't doubt reproductive coercion occurs, and in both sexes but how can your friend know this happened if he was sleeping?

She might have admitted it.

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Post by E6300 »

throwaway9475 wrote: post #192
nvahalik wrote: post #89

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Indeed, the cultural "importance" will be revealed in time. However, I fear not in the way you intend. There used to be a time when we as a society valued things like self-control, discipline, and tradition. No more. What you are alluding to here is a world where we are ruled by our emotions and our basest desires without the fear or potential for having to deal with our actions. To divorce sex from children is to mi…

Okay, I'm going to interact with your opinion: it's based on a mountain of lies and fallacies and that's why you're being downvoted. > There used to be a time when we as a society valued things like self-control, discipline, and tradition. No more. Is that also the time when people died from rubella and mumps, or when women weren't allowed to vote? Usually an appeal to a bygone era is a secret yearning to go back to…

> Usually an appeal to a bygone era is a secret yearning to go back to a time when the holder of that view had more power over others who now have equality.

I don't agree with the GP at all, but I think you're reading something that just isn't there.

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Post by bashinator »

fav_collector wrote: post #173
cr0sh wrote: post #152

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> Not only am I adopted (thus not "wanted") So are you saying that, despite the effort, time, and money it takes for adoption, your adoptive parents didn't want you? That doesn't make any sense. While it might be true that your birth parent(s) didn't want you, there might be reasons why that is so; of course, I can't speak to that as I don't know your situation. What I can say, though, is that my parents wanted me wh…

To be honest, I think children adopted very early in life would have better childhoods than children raised by their birth parents because p(parents are generous/caring/loving | parents are the type of person to adopt a child) > p(parents are generous/caring/loving | parents bring pregnancy to term) In addition, for adopted parents, we know that both parents want the child. Whereas with birth parents, we know that th…

> Whereas with birth parents, we know that the mother wanted a child [...]

I can think of many situations where this wouldn't be the case. Poor women in states with restricted access to abortion (requiring multiple visits to a clinic that's hundreds of miles away for example); women trapped in controlling relationships where leaving could be physically risky; teens who get pregnant for socially immature reasons and end up not wanting the child.

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Post by nommm-nommm »

nvahalik wrote: post #89
duopixel wrote: post #37

Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.

Indeed, the cultural "importance" will be revealed in time. However, I fear not in the way you intend. There used to be a time when we as a society valued things like self-control, discipline, and tradition. No more. What you are alluding to here is a world where we are ruled by our emotions and our basest desires without the fear or potential for having to deal with our actions. To divorce sex from children is to mi…

Check out the CDC stats. Teenagers today are actually abstaining from sex at higher rates then ever before and the teen pregnancy rate has dropped by HALF over the course of the last 25 years. So tell me about the other magical time where there was more "self-control, discipline, and tradition" among teenagers than now?

By the way, we've been controlling our fertility since the sexual revolution which started around half a century ago. Since our society hasn't collapsed in 50 years I can assume additional and safer options to control our fertility won't bring a collapse.

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Post by manmal »

nailer wrote: post #41

I can imagine the early adopters: male actors, athletes and other men of high social value as a way to enjoy sex without the chance of unwanted offspring.

I might be an early adopter: 11y relationship, 2 kids, don't want more kids.

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Post by tw04 »

kyriakos wrote: post #193
duopixel wrote: post #37

Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.

Keep in mind that even though unwanted pregnancies could be a problem giving your teenage son this option will also give him the false impression he's immune to STDs which a condom could have prevented.

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. I can't fathom a parent who would go through the effort of getting their child on birth control, but not having a discussion about STDs and safe sex.

"Kids" are going to have sex, we should take every opportunity to provide them with a means to do it as safely as possible.

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Post by LeftTriangle »

anothercomment wrote: post #87
OJFord wrote: post #81

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> There is no reason not to use both. Fear of it not being as reversible as it was supposed to be would be a pretty good reason not to use this one. If you're married, with children, and looking for an alternative to vasectomy, that risk is lower in the sense that should the reverse procedure not go as expected, it would probably be less crushing than the same experience as a newlywed.

How about combining it with freezing some sperm, just in case. Too expensive perhaps?

Freezing sperm costs on the order of $200-400 per year depending on how far you pay in advance. Worth paying if you're getting a vasectomy, but probably not worth it for this kind of (hopefully) temporary BC.
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