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New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by OJFord »

mjohn wrote: post #74
Ntrails wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it inconceivable that you'd want to encourage high risk of stds by advocating something that only prevents pregnancy

Sure, but condoms fail too. There is no reason not to use both.

> There is no reason not to use both.

Fear of it not being as reversible as it was supposed to be would be a pretty good reason not to use this one.

If you're married, with children, and looking for an alternative to vasectomy, that risk is lower in the sense that should the reverse procedure not go as expected, it would probably be less crushing than the same experience as a newlywed.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by morsmodr »

adrianN wrote: post #60
k-mcgrady wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you explain this further? I don't quite understand.

Poor people are typically less educated and (I guess) are not as well informed about STDs as more affluent people. In countries without a proper healthcare system they are probably also less likely to get STDs treated. Unwanted children are typically not good for getting out of poverty.

Freakonomics in a way!

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by sandGorgon »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #26

I wonder how this would effect STD rates in areas with bad sex ed? I could see a lot of people thinking 'don't need a condom because I can't make someone pregnant now'. Not that this product is a bad thing, very useful for people in monogamous relationships.

Glad you asked.

So India in general has an extremely progressive acceptability for sex education. We have ads on national TV promoting condoms (by the govt. With Bollywood jingles) as well as female contraceptives.

You can pretty much walk into any govt hospital (which are not much to look at) and get free contraceptives and contraception operative procedures.

We have a huge govt funded initiative around sanitary napkins, which is also considered a marketing case study in general [1]. Remember this was done through schools.

The contraception debate in the US (including abortion) seems weird.

India does have a significant proportion of female foeticide for cultural reasons, which is why it is banned in India to do prenatal sex determination. This has entered the cultural psyche to such a degree, that my friends who have conceived in the USA, will explicitly tell their doctors to not tell them about the gender (yes. An Indian citizen can be arrested upon entry to India if it can be proved you paid for sex determination outside of India).

However the impact of contraception innovation in India reaches far beyond it's shores. We are the largest supplier of generics and contraceptives to several third world countries including Africa.

[1] https://scroll.in/article/802833/how-the-advertising-industr...

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by Ntrails »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #75
Ntrails wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it inconceivable that you'd want to encourage high risk of stds by advocating something that only prevents pregnancy

The same could be said of female contraception, yet I don't see many people complaining about that. Why do you think that is?

I absolutely wouldn't encourage my teenage daughter to consider it as a right of passage for safe sex.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by MacsHeadroom »

wayn3 wrote: post #31

- I'm not paying money to have needle injecting chemicals with unexplored potential (longterm) side effects into my private parts when the potential success rate is that of a condom. Condoms kind of work. - "The pill" is a bit more than just a contraceptive. A variety of issues, ranging from skin problems to hormonal imabalances are regulated through the pill, which quite efficiently normalizes outliers in female hor…

The successful vasectomy reversal rate is less than 20%.

That is not "certainly reversible."

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Post by tehlike »

Ntrails wrote: post #72
duopixel wrote: post #37

Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.

I find it inconceivable that you'd want to encourage high risk of stds by advocating something that only prevents pregnancy

not sure why this is downvoted. It highlights something very important.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by anothercomment »

OJFord wrote: post #81
mjohn wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but condoms fail too. There is no reason not to use both.

> There is no reason not to use both. Fear of it not being as reversible as it was supposed to be would be a pretty good reason not to use this one. If you're married, with children, and looking for an alternative to vasectomy, that risk is lower in the sense that should the reverse procedure not go as expected, it would probably be less crushing than the same experience as a newlywed.

How about combining it with freezing some sperm, just in case. Too expensive perhaps?

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by _jal »

Ntrails wrote: post #72
duopixel wrote: post #37

Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.

I find it inconceivable that you'd want to encourage high risk of stds by advocating something that only prevents pregnancy

So because seat-belts are not also interlock devices, you assume your kids won't drive?

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by nvahalik »

duopixel wrote: post #37

Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.

Indeed, the cultural "importance" will be revealed in time. However, I fear not in the way you intend.

There used to be a time when we as a society valued things like self-control, discipline, and tradition. No more.

What you are alluding to here is a world where we are ruled by our emotions and our basest desires without the fear or potential for having to deal with our actions. To divorce sex from children is to misunderstand intimacy, the family, and the entire underpinning of our society.

EDIT: Yeah, I know conservative positions on HN are ways to make your Karma go down, but hey, that's what forums are for right, to have your opinions regarded as trolling instead of interacting with them, right?

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by jlebrech »

giarc wrote: post #58
jlebrech wrote: post #21

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but you might forget about it for 10years and it might flush itself.

I can see it now... YC Winter Batch 2018. SaaS tool to remind people when they need their testicle injection.

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