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Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#171
What's wrong with just "owning it"?

Why do entertainers whose viewers come for edgy jokes apologize for occasionally delivering a joke in excess of poor taste? It seems like most of the outrage comes from non-core audience members. It's a long-tail kind of thing. I'm willing to bet a big portion of any given entertainers' audience is willing to excuse the occasional bad joke for all the funny ones.

Some groups have louder voices than others when you make bad jokes at their expense. Why not say, "that's what this channel is about"? There are plenty of twitter personalities I follow that occasionally go on shit posting tirades but I ignore it because everything else they post is gold.

Seriously, why not say "fuck you this is what my channel is like if you don't like it don't watch"?

You think the people who walked out of Amy Schumer's show in Florida were her core audience? Why'd she apologize? She jokes about how bad her pussy smells. I mean, there's a certain group of folks who love her stuff and they probably aren't easily offended by her brand of vulgarity, but would light their clothes on fire at someone else's. To each his own. Find a niche and unabashedly own it. I mean... it got Trump elected.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#172
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Seems to me it's about someone literally paying a guy to hold up a sign that says "Death to Jews".

The joke was that he was asking a bunch of people to do unreasonable things for $5 and someone else actually agreed to this. He went into it knowing it was unreasonable and thats the joke. We only hear about this, because no one else did the other crazy shit he suggested.

Do we know what other crazy shit he suggested?

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#173

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No need to restrict this to generations; I think there always has been a core crowd out there who are outraged, shocked, offended, etc. for various reasons. Bartweiss's HN comment where he compared these type of Youtube hosts with morning radio shock jocks (which really had their peak in the 1980s and 1990s) rings true to me; there was plenty of controversy and public outrages etc. during those times when one of them…

> No need to restrict this to generations Oh, I think this is very different now from when it was happening back in time. Back in the 60s-80s, younger generations were the ones actually fighting for the Freedom of Expression. Nowadays the younger generation is the one pushing for harder stances to make people shut up. Look at safe zones in university campuses, it's actively enforced by students themselves.

The safe community spaces on college campuses are honestly doing the opposite of what you suggest, generally giving people the opportunity to speak without fear. An example being communities where LGBT students can speak without fear of being targeted by homophobia, transphobia or otherwise. It's not unusual for communities to create rules to help foster dialogue and make its members feel safe being in that community

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#174
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How far we've come that citing common statistics counts as dropping red pills. I don't have high hopes for how we look back on this period a few years into the future. Many people with their head stuck in the sand.

HN is one of those odd places where supposedly rational people simultaneously believe that A. The theory of evolution is likely correct, and B. Evolution magically stopped operating on human population groups about 50k years ago. And that while animal and plant subspecies differentiated in the span of a few thousand years vary measurably on various innate behavioral and physical characteristics, human population grou…

Why Is that so ridiculous. Humans are more powerful than their environment. No other species is. When you can craft the environment you exist in, the evolutionary pressures on you are correspondingly weaker. Have you wondered how mental disorders or chronic diseases still exist? You're not dropping any pills, you just sound like you talk about things you don't understand.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#175

Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube (specifically content creators not TED talks and such)? I started doing it recently just to see what all the fuss is about as it seems pretty common for younger people (and I'm 26 so it's not like I'm old but I didn't do it). After subscribing to a few channels I started watching stuff regularly. Basically if I want to kill 10 mins I'll…

I have put a lot of hours into Two Awesome Gamers, Epic Meal Time, and ERB, these days in that genre I watch Seth the Programmer, and Team Four Star. I stopped watching TAG when they fell apart, but for a long time they were pretty consistently decent. Epic Meal Time just lost their focus, Harley for a long time seemed to be phoning it in. ERB seems to be done.

My metric for content is if the videos seem to be improving or not. I'll keep watching if it looks like they're pushing at something other than just more eyeballs and cash. ERB's content just kept getting better and better, those guys are all seasoned entertainment industry veterans. Likewise for Team Four Star, they're all solid voice actors and they just get better and better at their craft.

If all you're trying to satisfy is an audience, your schtick gets tired quick.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#176

Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube (specifically content creators not TED talks and such)? I started doing it recently just to see what all the fuss is about as it seems pretty common for younger people (and I'm 26 so it's not like I'm old but I didn't do it). After subscribing to a few channels I started watching stuff regularly. Basically if I want to kill 10 mins I'll…

Here's a couple I watch regularly with some great content:

- Computerphile: Interesting stuff about computer hardware and software: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9-y-6csu5WGm29I7JiwpnA

- Deep Astronomy: Space stuff: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQkLvACGWo8IlY1-WKfPp6g

- Deep sky videos: more space stuff: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo-3ThNQmPmQSQL_L6Lx1_w

- Grant Thompson: Expiriments, building things, explosions: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1zZE_kJ8rQHgLTVfobLi_g

- Numberphile: math stuff: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoxcjq-8xIDTYp3uz647V5A

- Nurdrage: chemistry experiments: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIgKGGJkt1MrNmhq3vRibYA

- Retro game mechanics: implementation of retro gaming software and hardware: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwRqWnW5ZkVaP_lZF7caZ-g

- Sixty symbols: general physics stuff: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvBqzzvUBLCs8Y7Axb-jZew

- Stuff they don't want you to know: conspiracies:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrrOic-og4HzhleZqOq4L-A

- Vsauce: Thought experiments, interesting facts, etc: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6nSFpj9HTCZ5t-N3Rm3-HA

I don't know if you're into gaming or inane comedy, but I also watch a lot of Funhaus: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCboMX_UNgaPBsUOIgasn3-Q. dfinitely not for everyone.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#177
I'm just gonna quote something from the article:

> If there is someone who’s making the stuff you enjoy ..., find ways to contribute. If they have alternate payment systems like merchandise or Patreon, consider it so they don’t have to play the “ad revenue works in volume” game.

Do this.

I support a number of creators via Patreon, including Daily Tech News Show and Drunk Kids Gaming.

If you get value out of the content you consume, please consider giving some value back, using a mechanism (like Patreon or PayPal) where you know that most of the returned value is reaching the creator who's content you consume.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#178

It's worth nothing that this article was posted a month ago: since then, there was another incident along the same lines where popular YouTuber JonTron imploded for the same reasons as described in the article. Jim Sterling has the most objective take on the sequence of events: http://www.thejimquisition.com/youtubers-say-the-darndest-th...

" The Internet has warped the idea of “free speech” to mean “speech without consequence” and that’s simply not what it is. " The true meaning of freedom is that you are free to do what you want, if you are willing to accept the consequences.

By that logic, everything everywhere is free if you are willing to accept the consequences. How reasonable the consequences of action are should be somehow part of the definition of freedom.

You are free to say that, just accept that someone can beat you up for it or harass your employer/girlfriend/boyfriend till they fire you or ...

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No need to restrict this to generations Oh, I think this is very different now from when it was happening back in time. Back in the 60s-80s, younger generations were the ones actually fighting for the Freedom of Expression. Nowadays the younger generation is the one pushing for harder stances to make people shut up. Look at safe zones in university campuses, it's actively enforced by students themselves.

The safe community spaces on college campuses are honestly doing the opposite of what you suggest, generally giving people the opportunity to speak without fear. An example being communities where LGBT students can speak without fear of being targeted by homophobia, transphobia or otherwise. It's not unusual for communities to create rules to help foster dialogue and make its members feel safe being in that community

If that were literally all it was about, nobody would have reason to complain. Instead, the concept has expanded out to encompass political views which can be debated in good faith. Supporting certain candidates has resulted in public shaming, if not outright violence.

Do our college students really need to be kept "safe" from mere disagreement?

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#180

Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube (specifically content creators not TED talks and such)? I started doing it recently just to see what all the fuss is about as it seems pretty common for younger people (and I'm 26 so it's not like I'm old but I didn't do it). After subscribing to a few channels I started watching stuff regularly. Basically if I want to kill 10 mins I'll…

Specifically content creators with good content… yeah I watch a lot of that.

- Actually Hardcore Overclocking (buildzoid) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrwObTfqv8u1KO7Fgk-FXHQ

- Micah Elizabeth Scott (scanlime) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaEgw3321ct_PE4PJvdhXEQ — "Art, engineering, reverse engineering, and cats"

- The 8-bit Guy https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8uT9cgJorJPWu7ITLGo9Ww + https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcTt3O4_IW5gnA0c58eXshg

- Druaga1 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-7I1gU1r6PxBSl87o-7YEQ — "Windows 98 on an SSD", "Installing an SSD in a G4 Cube [Part 2]"… you get the idea

- Kim Justice https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9ZWVL1Elyt2cdiQYjxS_1w — very interesting in-depth retro gaming videos

- hbomberguy https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClt01z1wHHT7c5lKcU8pxRQ — critical videos about games and social/political stuff too… I recommend "Fallout 3 Is Garbage, And Here's Why" :D

- OzTalksHW https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Jxh95N32m1JvKG_-fQ6QQ — hardware reviews and stuff

- Paweł Zadrożniak https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCximsD7EJ38jzCNgfP_YTmA — next level floppy drive music

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