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Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by nailer »

geofft wrote: post #114
ekianjo wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All reminded me of the quote generally attribued to cardinal Richelieu. It's worse than that. Richelieu was talking about absolute power of the State. Now the online power is made up of hordes of folks whose only reason to exist is to make their views the predominant ones and silence anyone who's diverging from them, even if that person was simply joking. There's a surprising good share of folks who are anti-Freedo…

I think that the power of hordes of folks to try to make their views the predominant one is nothing other than a cynical phrasing of democracy, right? What is political freedom, if not the ability to work with like-minded others to advocate for or against a viewpoint? Should we censor people who wish to engage in this right? And I am confused how anyone here was silenced. This person's views, and the views of everyon…

> And I am confused how anyone here was silenced. This person's views, and the views of everyone who objects, and the views of everyone who objects to the objection, are all public. The video is easily available.

According to Pewdiepie, the WSJ pushed Google to suspend his Youtube account.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by white-flame »

geofft wrote: post #114
ekianjo wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All reminded me of the quote generally attribued to cardinal Richelieu. It's worse than that. Richelieu was talking about absolute power of the State. Now the online power is made up of hordes of folks whose only reason to exist is to make their views the predominant ones and silence anyone who's diverging from them, even if that person was simply joking. There's a surprising good share of folks who are anti-Freedo…

I think that the power of hordes of folks to try to make their views the predominant one is nothing other than a cynical phrasing of democracy, right? What is political freedom, if not the ability to work with like-minded others to advocate for or against a viewpoint? Should we censor people who wish to engage in this right? And I am confused how anyone here was silenced. This person's views, and the views of everyon…

There's a difference in airing grievances, political opinion, public discourse, etc, and the lynching of people outside your view with a specific intent of silencing and destroying their very lives. This vindictiveness is explicit and widespread.

The very notion of "I disagree with you (and will bring it to light) but will defend your right to say it" seems to be dead in modern outrage culture.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by wingerlang »

minimaxir wrote: post #13

It's worth nothing that this article was posted a month ago: since then, there was another incident along the same lines where popular YouTuber JonTron imploded for the same reasons as described in the article. Jim Sterling has the most objective take on the sequence of events: http://www.thejimquisition.com/youtubers-say-the-darndest-th...

I feel like that article was just a bunch of more or less hypothetical scenarios where X did Y and then some other characters being in "our time" and yada yada.

I still have no idea what JonTron did, I guess he said something racist ... somewhere?

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by hkmurakami »

yeukhon wrote: post #86
raesene6 wrote: post #39

I've been watching Youtube vids for a long time (well relatively, like 10+ years) and it's one of my primary forms of entertainment. It has been very interesting to see youtubers come and go, a lot of them seem to burn out on the schedule of trying to produce content regularly, which I can understand, anyone who's edited videos would realise the time it can take to produce something of good quality. Pewdiepie is an i…

I don't follow his channel for the impression you had about him. I like the other gamers (Van--s, H-0, etc). I think you nailed it that stress is so bad that many have lost appetite to release new videos on a regular basis, and I've seen this in many youtubers I was following for years. Some gamers I know just don't want to edit anymore and instead release most of the gameplay or switch to Twitch completely and depen…

I think one of the smartest moves Day9 did was to hire production staff.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by geofft »

nailer wrote: post #121
geofft wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that the power of hordes of folks to try to make their views the predominant one is nothing other than a cynical phrasing of democracy, right? What is political freedom, if not the ability to work with like-minded others to advocate for or against a viewpoint? Should we censor people who wish to engage in this right? And I am confused how anyone here was silenced. This person's views, and the views of everyon…

> And I am confused how anyone here was silenced. This person's views, and the views of everyone who objects, and the views of everyone who objects to the objection, are all public. The video is easily available. According to Pewdiepie, the WSJ pushed Google to suspend his Youtube account.

Sure, and it's been reposted on YouTube. My point is that the exact same powers that are allowing online hordes of folks to say "I don't like this" are also making it difficult to actually censor the viewpoint that isn't being liked. This is only a bad development if you're interested in censoring either of those. The best cure for bad speech is more speech!

https://youtu.be/urE7_mYfPmk?t=694

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by hkmurakami »

basisword wrote: post #59

Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube (specifically content creators not TED talks and such)? I started doing it recently just to see what all the fuss is about as it seems pretty common for younger people (and I'm 26 so it's not like I'm old but I didn't do it). After subscribing to a few channels I started watching stuff regularly. Basically if I want to kill 10 mins I'll…

I've been watching video game play through (typically with restrictions added on) videos from Japan on nicovideo for 10 years. I've seen the genre devolve (for me) from one based on skill, planning, research, and creativity, to one based off of a personality cult. It's been sad for me to see personally.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by aori »

jrkatz wrote: post #31
krige wrote: post #4

It's not implosion, it's just the outrage crowd setting their sights on a new target and gaming sites trying to settle score with the new media.

'outrage crowd'. Huh. right now, the big blowup is over some guy ('jontron') spouting racist BS. This is bad enough in front of an adult audience, but in fact he is performing this for children. Shouldn't we be mad? For PewDiePie recently, the same story: He is an adult (who should know better) performing antisemitic jokes for children, who might not follow the joke were it funny. When they don't follow it, when it's…

I've read a few of the articles but couldn't find any compelling reason to be outraged. I certainly disagree with his suggestions about the police but I'm assuming all his racist facts he quoted from some major source.

It is true that assimilation is a problem and that years ago some did talk about a Reconquista. Just because some people talk or think about it doesn't mean it's a legitimate concern but it's not exactly racist to bring it up?

My friend ran a Latino media company and he used to talk about it a lot. And obviously California used to be Mexico so it's a rather common idea that's easily agreed with.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by sqeaky »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #91
alva wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but I could now quote you in the news saying you wrote "Death to Jews" online. And that is pretty much what all of this is about.

Seems to me it's about someone literally paying a guy to hold up a sign that says "Death to Jews".

The joke was that he was asking a bunch of people to do unreasonable things for $5 and someone else actually agreed to this. He went into it knowing it was unreasonable and thats the joke. We only hear about this, because no one else did the other crazy shit he suggested.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by theseatoms »

izacus wrote: post #107
philangist wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who are you to police what we do or don't need in online gaming? Why is your definition of tactless behavior more valid than mine? All of this just seems like recreational outrage from the outside looking in.

He is "the public" - the same kind of public that kinda sets social norms for all other types of behaviour in media and real life.

And he can feel free to tune out and watch other content.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by yeukhon »

hkmurakami wrote: post #124
yeukhon wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't follow his channel for the impression you had about him. I like the other gamers (Van--s, H-0, etc). I think you nailed it that stress is so bad that many have lost appetite to release new videos on a regular basis, and I've seen this in many youtubers I was following for years. Some gamers I know just don't want to edit anymore and instead release most of the gameplay or switch to Twitch completely and depen…

I think one of the smartest moves Day9 did was to hire production staff.

Depends. I am going to name names now. Ray William Johnson was a comedian on YouTube and his channel was a big hit about 7-8 years ago. At some point he signed up with an agency and started having a production crew instead of making them off of his own room, but for me the quality had gone down dramatically. I am not sure if there's even a correlation, perhaps just timing that there weren't that many funny videos on YouTube worth reviewing or perhas is the script the crew was producing just wasn't the right fit for me. I was very displeased with the new videos he was releasing. Later he ended relationship with the agency after some dispute and ran with his own production team, but the quality has continued to suck and so I am no longer a subscriber. Sorry.

WongFu Production ran from a channel of three college students making videos about Asian life in America to a production company of its own (their made shorts, movies, and even a YouTube original series recently, and also making films for others). Their production quality is amazing. My favorite gamers on YouTubes just record from their computer and have no production crew whatsoever. I think Smosh Brothers is behind a production team at this point, and their videos are pretty fun to watch. It depends, there are good and bad ones.

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