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Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by debt »

CommanderData wrote: post #138
raesene6 wrote: post #39

I've been watching Youtube vids for a long time (well relatively, like 10+ years) and it's one of my primary forms of entertainment. It has been very interesting to see youtubers come and go, a lot of them seem to burn out on the schedule of trying to produce content regularly, which I can understand, anyone who's edited videos would realise the time it can take to produce something of good quality. Pewdiepie is an i…

The pewdiepie controversy seems manufactured to me. I get pewdiepies humor. I watch his videos anticipating his originality and I guess 54 million subs do for varying reasons. His ability to express himself and generate content that makes me laugh repeatedly. He's not insensitive despite what some news articles say. The anti-semitism thing is so overused today its a little meaningless. The only way to push its worth…

Would it be illegal for Disney to encourage or indirectly fund a hit piece on PewDiePie? It's very likely the OP here is right: YouTubers are imploding. Disney probably is the first to see that(they acquired Maker Studios a year or so ago) and needed to offload a massive failing asset.

The anti-semitism problem is a very specific angle to take particularly related to Disney and PewDiePie. Someone clearly combed his trove of videos and found every single Nazi reference; seem like a stretch to begin with. Idk theories.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by thraway2016 »

fein wrote: post #64
ForRealsies wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has JonTron's popularity gone down? I don't follow any of it, I just heard he was dropping red pills. Which is more than I heard of him before.

How far we've come that citing common statistics counts as dropping red pills. I don't have high hopes for how we look back on this period a few years into the future. Many people with their head stuck in the sand.

HN is one of those odd places where supposedly rational people simultaneously believe that A. The theory of evolution is likely correct, and B. Evolution magically stopped operating on human population groups about 50k years ago.

And that while animal and plant subspecies differentiated in the span of a few thousand years vary measurably on various innate behavioral and physical characteristics, human population groups are COMPLETELY exempt from evolved behavioral propensities.

Because magic, or something.

To not believe in magic is, of course, racist and evil.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by geofft »

nilkn wrote: post #144
nommm-nommm wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are allowed to form an opinion on things. They are even allowed to publish that opinion online. That's not "policing."

Your opinions have consequences. They can affect other people in real ways. In this case, the imprecise, incredibly untrustworthy outrage of thousands of people -- fueled by a sensationalist media hit job -- almost ruined someone's career. You're welcome to your opinion. But you also have to take responsibility for it.

> almost ruined someone's career

There are countless millions of people with no careers at all. Clearly, our society doesn't believe in a right to having a career at all, let alone a right to keeping one's existing career.

If we're worried about the threat to PewDiePie's ability to make a living, to his life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, it seems like the fundamental problem is not with people on the internet having opinions, it is with the system where losing a career threatens all those things. Fix capitalism, implement a UBI, whatever, and then his loss of a career wouldn't seem like a threat to his ability to live a fulfilling life or to reach an effective means of speaking to people.

The same argument can be used to say, "Your opinions have consequences. In this case, shutting down the TSA's security theater program put a lot of TSA agents out on the streets. You have to take responsibility for it." Or "In this case, Edward Snowden almost ruined the careers of many NSA spooks who could never make it in the private sector." Or many similar things. Would you agree those are bad arguments for not fixing the TSA or reforming the NSA?

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by [deleted] »

nommm-nommm wrote: post #112
philangist wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who are you to police what we do or don't need in online gaming? Why is your definition of tactless behavior more valid than mine? All of this just seems like recreational outrage from the outside looking in.

People are allowed to form an opinion on things. They are even allowed to publish that opinion online. That's not "policing."

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Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by mcguire »

minimaxir wrote: post #13

It's worth nothing that this article was posted a month ago: since then, there was another incident along the same lines where popular YouTuber JonTron imploded for the same reasons as described in the article. Jim Sterling has the most objective take on the sequence of events: http://www.thejimquisition.com/youtubers-say-the-darndest-th...

"The Internet has warped the idea of “free speech” to mean “speech without consequence” and that’s simply not what it is."

The true meaning of freedom is that you are free to do what you want, if you are willing to accept the consequences.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by squeaky-clean »

nommm-nommm wrote: post #112
philangist wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who are you to police what we do or don't need in online gaming? Why is your definition of tactless behavior more valid than mine? All of this just seems like recreational outrage from the outside looking in.

People are allowed to form an opinion on things. They are even allowed to publish that opinion online. That's not "policing."

It's kind of off topic in the thread though. Sure, GP didn't like it, a lot of people didn't like it. That's beside the point. You're allowed to not like things, and people are allowed to publish (most) things you don't like. It doesn't add anything to the discussion to state you don't like it.

But should pewdiepie be punished for it?

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by crooked-v »

debt wrote: post #151
CommanderData wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pewdiepie controversy seems manufactured to me. I get pewdiepies humor. I watch his videos anticipating his originality and I guess 54 million subs do for varying reasons. His ability to express himself and generate content that makes me laugh repeatedly. He's not insensitive despite what some news articles say. The anti-semitism thing is so overused today its a little meaningless. The only way to push its worth…

Would it be illegal for Disney to encourage or indirectly fund a hit piece on PewDiePie? It's very likely the OP here is right: YouTubers are imploding. Disney probably is the first to see that(they acquired Maker Studios a year or so ago) and needed to offload a massive failing asset. The anti-semitism problem is a very specific angle to take particularly related to Disney and PewDiePie. Someone clearly combed his t…

Is it really that surprising that Disney thought that using "death to all Jews" in a joke, regardless of context, was inappropriate?

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by 59nadir »

philangist wrote: post #102
evilDagmar wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The WSJ may have sensationalized things, but PewDiePie legitimately made those incredibly tacky statements and "jokes" all by himself. We don't need that type of tactless behavior in online gaming. What happens on 4chan should stay on 4chan.

Who are you to police what we do or don't need in online gaming? Why is your definition of tactless behavior more valid than mine? All of this just seems like recreational outrage from the outside looking in.

Some people would rather no one can get the content than simply not consuming it themselves. It's not enough that they don't see it: No one should, because they know what's best.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by 6stringmerc »

and0 wrote: post #29

Went into the article expecting it to be silly, but there were actually a ton of interesting insights, especially about how no one knows how to manage these celebrities. Also, slowbeef is being humble; he literally invented the LP and curated the scene forever ago. His Metal Gear 2 annotated playthrough (from the mid-00s at the latest, I'm remembering HTML tables) was absolutely hysterical (at least to my teenage sel…

Nice to hear the background context, I got the impression from reading that he has a much, much deeper historical wealth of experiences to draw on. Checked him out on Twitter and quite an interesting fellow. I also agree how salient this article hits points that are not specific necessarily to YouTube, but to the fickle beast of Entertainment as we know it. Fame is exceptionally passing in Music, TV, etc, and it stands to reason YT Content is, at least for now, going to follow that model in the US cultural style.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by TheGRS »

basisword wrote: post #59

Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube (specifically content creators not TED talks and such)? I started doing it recently just to see what all the fuss is about as it seems pretty common for younger people (and I'm 26 so it's not like I'm old but I didn't do it). After subscribing to a few channels I started watching stuff regularly. Basically if I want to kill 10 mins I'll…

I watch a lot of crash course personally. They've continued to put out good content (well save for their recent cartography debacle). They are mostly funded through a single embedded ad, Patreon and some PBS deals it seems, so YouTube constantly changing rules doesn't seem to affect them too badly.
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