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Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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This is so far outside my realm of experience I do not know how to read it. I have not been hearing a lot lately about the Pew Die Guy, nor do I know who the Fine Brothers are. There are lots and lots of algorithms and data structures to learn about.

Let's Plays are videos where people play video games and commentate over them.

Fivrr is a site where people can offer small services for about five bucks.

Pewdiepie is a famous youtuber who produces lets plays. He got in trouble for playing some indian men on Fivrr to wave around signs with racist messages on them on camera as part of a joke. It understandably didn't go over well and lots of people wrote angry articles about it.

The Fine Brothers produce videos where people "react" to things. So you might show a bunch of kids the twist from some movie, and show their reaction to it.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#12
Unrelated, but am I the only one who can't believe how bad both the app and the website are from an experience perspective:

Website:

1. If my google home is playing music in my kitchen, I can't watch videos. It just cuts them off and gives me a licensing error. Instead it should just downgrade me to ad-driven youtube.

2. Most videos have huge 'annotations' that I can click off, but automatically get clicked back on for the next videos. Its usually people begging for you to subscribe to their channel. Its almost never to annotate anything and even if it was, the UX is terrible. It should be something I call up, not something that blocks the video content.

3. In-video ads. On top of the ad to watch the video I now need to be pestered with this little pop-up adds their ruin immersion. Oh I have youtube red, but I get these anyway sometimes. I imagine this is just a bug but even then they're a terrible experience for non-youtube red subscribers.

4. Audio quality is often terrible. Not sure if its the video itself but even the official music video channels usually have audio that sounds, at best, like 56k MP3 streams circa 2002.

App on Android

1. Holy hell is is slow to startup. Worse, if you accidentally hit a youtube link and try to press back, you need to press the back arrow about 3 times before it responds. Its probably my slowest app. Meanwhile an mp4 served from imgur is near instant. Heck, even a big ugly gif starts up much faster. There should be no scenario where a 100mb gif starts up faster than a 3mb youtube video.

2. Autoplay of next video means that if I'm reading the comments and if the video ends then it wipes the comments I'm reading and replaces it with the description of the new video.

3. Quality seems variable even though I'm pegged to the same 50mbps wifi connection at home with full bars.

Not to mention, the comments ranking system encourages 'hilarious' jokey comments over the more serious content. Youtube comments are usually terrible but for less popular videos they can be insightful, the problem is that the top 5 or so comments are either jokes or fairly obvious trolling attempts.

I wish someone wold disrupt this space but I imagine the deep pockets you would need to host all these videos on top of the legalities of it all means that only the top 5 tech companies would be able to compete and they're just not interested. I imagine the margins are fairly low here.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#13
It's worth nothing that this article was posted a month ago: since then, there was another incident along the same lines where popular YouTuber JonTron imploded for the same reasons as described in the article.

Jim Sterling has the most objective take on the sequence of events: http://www.thejimquisition.com/youtubers-say-the-darndest-th...

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Still, it does highlight how YouTube sabotages the quality of its own platform by accidentally creating pressure to post at super-high frequency. As a YouTube viewer, I'm actually quite annoyed how confusing its user-interface is. Google is so proud of their AIs that they make it extremely difficult to just get a dumb feed of "what's the latest posts from the channels I follow"? The system really wants you to explore…

The subscriptions in youtube is definitely broken for me. I use RSS feed for some of the channels as I was annoyed at how the notification count would not match what I had watched or not. That was a pain even with only a handful of channels.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#16

That was a long article that could be summed up by: "Sometimes people say stupid things. Most don't record and publish it for the world".

I thought there was lots of good insight on how youtube pushes creators to operate at a breakneck pace, how this is at odds with what makes comedy work or not work, and how companies aren't willing or able to provide editorial support (perhaps for fear of killing the golden goose) for these youtubers, unlike traditional celebrities.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#17

It's worth nothing that this article was posted a month ago: since then, there was another incident along the same lines where popular YouTuber JonTron imploded for the same reasons as described in the article. Jim Sterling has the most objective take on the sequence of events: http://www.thejimquisition.com/youtubers-say-the-darndest-th...

Has JonTron's popularity gone down? I don't follow any of it, I just heard he was dropping red pills. Which is more than I heard of him before.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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It's worth nothing that this article was posted a month ago: since then, there was another incident along the same lines where popular YouTuber JonTron imploded for the same reasons as described in the article. Jim Sterling has the most objective take on the sequence of events: http://www.thejimquisition.com/youtubers-say-the-darndest-th...

JonTron isn't going to lose his subscriberbase from this though... I doubt most of them care.

Personally I don't really, mostly because his personal views never come into play on his actual show. This kind of thing always happens when you get someone involved in comedy to participate in a serious discussion, you start realizing they have opinions and views that you may not like.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#20

That was a long article that could be summed up by: "Sometimes people say stupid things. Most don't record and publish it for the world".

I was disappointed to find out the laser-focus was on scandals related to youtube celebrities, and not on the infrastructure youtube has that creates youtube celebrities.

The author mentions Game Theory (another youtube channel) which has some videos that delves into these mechanics instead.

My fear with Youtube as a casual viewer is that content creators (such as the author) are too focused on scandal with other channels they themselves are friends with and not focused enough on keeping engaging content and/or keeping engaged with the fans who made them money in the first place.

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