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Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Do you really believe the CIA gives a shit about what you have to say? As we learned from the Snowden leaks, surveillance is being conducted on a massive scale under the purview of a secret court that rubber stamps whatever comes across its desk, and not in a targeted manner as in your bug argument. I still have a right and desire for privacy, which is not a function of whether or not the CIA, or anyone, cares what…
I'm sorry to be blunt, but you seem uninformed. All of the information we saw from the Snowden leaks was passive interception of lines they had a legitimate need to tap. What they did, which I dont agree with, was intercept all the data and analyze it to deduce likely targets, rather than explicitly targeting data to capture. That was the entirety of the Snowden leaks: they're overly broad in their selection criteria…
> That was the entirety of the Snowden leaks
Is that so? So the NSA did not secretly collect all data from the unencrypted fiber between Google and Yahoo's data centers? And the NSA never paid RSA Security 10 million dollars to back Dual_EC_DRBG as part of the broader program Bullrun intended to subvert and weaken cryptographic protocols that underlie our national security and critical online infrastructure? You are aware that the Snowden documents discuss intelligence agencies outside the US as well, and detail our coordination with these agencies? What about spying on allied foreign world leaders? Gag orders placed on the largest companies on earth? Parallel construction?
I am almost skeptical that you are intentionally understating the significance of what the Snowden documents revealed.
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#43After the initial Vault 7 release, and even after Snowden in 2013, this is barely news. Our devices are not secure. Apple portrayed itself as a guardian angel for keeping the FBI of our devices for the past two years, while conveniently forgetting to mention that it has been installing iPhone backdoors for the CIA since 2008. edit: I misread the release, it is possible that they are installed after the fact, and appl…
Before leaks, "Thinking the government is monitoring everyone online and using their mobile devices to spy on them is insane, you conspiracy theorist." After leaks, "This is barely news, everyone knew this already." Every. Single. Time.
Yes, but that's not as crazy as it sounds.
I think many folks draw an (implicit, often subconscious) distinction between invasions of privacy that they care about, vs those they don't, and the former ties closely to the presence of a human mind on the other end of the wire. For most people it seems, the whole concept is linked much more closely to the fear of shame (e.g., your slightly bizarre kink will be outed to friends or family who might look at you differently) than to the fear that the regime will find out you are a threat to it, and will come after you.
In other words: because the CIA's computers don't care if I am a furry and are never going to tell what they hear, I don't have to care that they're listening.
People (rightfully) dismiss as insane the notion that some weird dude is sitting in the basement of the NSA listening to the details of your life, in particular (the NSA's basement and budget are not big enough to house enough weird dudes to listen to make the chance of your life being monitored any more than vanishingly small). But it's been pretty common knowledge for a very long time that if Power really wants to know something (whether it's about you or anything else), it has a pretty good chance of learning it.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
"barely news...." "hard to find anyone that actually cares...." What Wikileaks is changing, and what has had a real effect even here on HN let alone out in the normal world, is that we didn't quite know that the government was doing all these things. We very very very much expected that they were doing these things, but we were never faced with cold hard evidence. And a great deal of the rest of the populace sort of…
Why should I care a spy agency has spy tools? (Which is all these leaks show.) I mean, the CIA could always have broken in to my house undetected and set up tiny microphones -- why should I worry now that they use computers as part of that, but not then when it was bugs transmitting radio? The reason people don't care now is why they didn't care then : so what? Do you really believe the CIA gives a shit about what yo…
People who say "So what", "I have nothing to hide" are tools of mediocrity and products of the US Education system that has trained lemmings since the turn of the 20th century. They have no concept of the underlying purpose and structure of the constitution and amendments. The data in our "phones", electronic devices, which carry more information than our mailbox ever could have not been afforded the 4th amendment protection the US mail has. Why? First they call us crazy then they say it does not matter. What the heck is wrong with people. Prisoners have their mail inspected before delivery not US Citizens.
BTW, 52 hard drives were given to the 3letter a few years back with millions of US citizen's records on it from a leak of dr@gn3t pr0gr@m. Nothing was ever done. It was finally picked up in the news this week. they have been keeping a massive database on U.S. citizens who were not and are not targets of investigation.
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#45I wonder if any of these work in modern devices with updated OSes
OS has nothing to do with it -- they have a UEFI rootkit and (likely) access to the Intel Management Engine.
So, you can run Windows w/antivirus or even switch to FreeBSD... and it will protect you from nothing.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sorry to be blunt, but you seem uninformed. All of the information we saw from the Snowden leaks was passive interception of lines they had a legitimate need to tap. What they did, which I dont agree with, was intercept all the data and analyze it to deduce likely targets, rather than explicitly targeting data to capture. That was the entirety of the Snowden leaks: they're overly broad in their selection criteria…
> That was the entirety of the Snowden leaks Is that so? So the NSA did not secretly collect all data from the unencrypted fiber between Google and Yahoo's data centers? And the NSA never paid RSA Security 10 million dollars to back Dual_EC_DRBG as part of the broader program Bullrun intended to subvert and weaken cryptographic protocols that underlie our national security and critical online infrastructure? You are…
Ditto ! Amen. Also the local feds were pulling facial data from state drivers license databases and social media databases against the implicit direction of congressional oversight. When congressional oversight committee asked the BF1 they said no we don't maintain social data... the congressman clarified, and they said true, we query it from the other databases. Big difference right.... wrong. they are defying implicit instructions from congressional oversight, lying to congress and refusing to report. All this a the bureaucracy's genetic thirst for omnipotent power. We are seeing the technological evolution of our 67 year old surveillance state. This has to stop.
We are the sheep dogs. Everyone on hacker news has the intelligence to educate and lead the people in their network of friends and family. Ensure that congress does not pass 702 authorization.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Before leaks, "Thinking the government is monitoring everyone online and using their mobile devices to spy on them is insane, you conspiracy theorist." After leaks, "This is barely news, everyone knew this already." Every. Single. Time.
Yes, but that's not as crazy as it sounds. I think many folks draw an (implicit, often subconscious) distinction between invasions of privacy that they care about, vs those they don't, and the former ties closely to the presence of a human mind on the other end of the wire. For most people it seems, the whole concept is linked much more closely to the fear of shame (e.g., your slightly bizarre kink will be outed to f…
> ...and are never going to tell what they hear, I don't have to care that they're listening.
Why do you think this is the case?
Has the government sufficient ability to secure data that the very fact they possess databases of information on US citizens isn't fundamentally problematic? Based on only the last year of breaches, I'd argue no.
> People (rightfully) dismiss as insane the notion that some weird dude is sitting in the basement of the NSA listening to the details of your life
That is not a claim that any rational critic of bulk surveillance makes. And, ya know, machine learning exists. They won't (or don't) need humans to analyze the data they collect.
> ...the whole concept is linked much more closely to the fear of shame...
Embedded journalists, activists, people with sensitive medical information.
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#48Unfortunately this has dropped off the front page already. I hope that's not because of flagging. Hopefully the discussion of the next Wikileaks release will be more substantive, and pertain more to the content of the documents released.
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#49holy shit "sonic screwdriver" sounds a lot like http://thundergate.io
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#50Unfortunately this has dropped off the front page already. I hope that's not because of flagging. Hopefully the discussion of the next Wikileaks release will be more substantive, and pertain more to the content of the documents released.
It was on the front page for me.