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Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Post by sanityUnbounded »

pikzen wrote: post #23
NietTim wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you kidding me? Wikileaks is giving is proof against conspiracy nuts that we have never had before. Just because people in your bubble don't care, doesn't mean that this isn't effective. Releases like this spark discussion and give people fuel to fight the fire. Can I get a source on this? > while conveniently forgetting to mention that it has been installing iPhone backdoors for the CIA since 2008. I'm more incl…

I believe his post was awkwardly worded and that "Don't believe Wikileaks, they are a threat" is just a jab at how the media is portraying Assange and Wikileaks.

Yes, maybe I could have written that better. My attention is stuck between wikileaks and my professor talking about binary trees.

Typical 21st century bs.

Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Post by rfrank »

sanityUnbounded wrote: post #3

After the initial Vault 7 release, and even after Snowden in 2013, this is barely news. Our devices are not secure. Apple portrayed itself as a guardian angel for keeping the FBI of our devices for the past two years, while conveniently forgetting to mention that it has been installing iPhone backdoors for the CIA since 2008. edit: I misread the release, it is possible that they are installed after the fact, and appl…

Before leaks, "Thinking the government is monitoring everyone online and using their mobile devices to spy on them is insane, you conspiracy theorist."

After leaks, "This is barely news, everyone knew this already."

Every. Single. Time.

Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Post by SomeStupidPoint »

1001101 wrote: post #28
SomeStupidPoint wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should I care a spy agency has spy tools? (Which is all these leaks show.) I mean, the CIA could always have broken in to my house undetected and set up tiny microphones -- why should I worry now that they use computers as part of that, but not then when it was bugs transmitting radio? The reason people don't care now is why they didn't care then : so what? Do you really believe the CIA gives a shit about what yo…

> Do you really believe the CIA gives a shit about what you have to say? As we learned from the Snowden leaks, surveillance is being conducted on a massive scale under the purview of a secret court that rubber stamps whatever comes across its desk, and not in a targeted manner as in your bug argument. I still have a right and desire for privacy, which is not a function of whether or not the CIA, or anyone, cares what…

I'm sorry to be blunt, but you seem uninformed.

All of the information we saw from the Snowden leaks was passive interception of lines they had a legitimate need to tap. What they did, which I dont agree with, was intercept all the data and analyze it to deduce likely targets, rather than explicitly targeting data to capture. That was the entirety of the Snowden leaks: they're overly broad in their selection criteria because they wanted to run targeting filters instead of having to pick targets before intercept.

That's a whole different sport from pretending they tap every computer in the world with spy tools. Legally, ethically, and practically.

So I think you (and sibling comments) are simply uninformed, delusional, and making up wild, unreasonable accusations based on emotion, not rational thought.

Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Post by [deleted] »

3131s wrote: post #12
jerf wrote: post #8

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"barely news...." "hard to find anyone that actually cares...." What Wikileaks is changing, and what has had a real effect even here on HN let alone out in the normal world, is that we didn't quite know that the government was doing all these things. We very very very much expected that they were doing these things, but we were never faced with cold hard evidence. And a great deal of the rest of the populace sort of…

GP is lamenting the fact that this is "barely news" and the bit about Wikileaks being a threat was sarcasm.

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Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Post by baakss »

SomeStupidPoint wrote: post #29
sanityUnbounded wrote: post #20

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> The CIA is almost certainly ignoring all of that data Citation needed. Do you suggest that the data is destroyed after it is deemed unimportant? If not, that suggests a far more terrifying scenario in which the data is collected and stored in the event that it would need to be brought up at a later date.

I'm suggesting it's not collected in the first place, no bugs exist on any if those computers or phones, etc. That's what ignoring it means: it only exists in whatever fleeting capacity the local devices capture it, and the CIA has no interest in capturing or analyzing it.

"They can use the system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you've ever made, every friend you've ever discussed something with, and attack you on that basis to sort of derive suspicion from an innocent life and paint anyone in the context of a wrongdoer." -Edward Snowden

Sorry, but I don't buy that they aren't in the business of data collection. I'll buy that they don't have the time to analyze everything if there's not a compelling need, but the data does exist and is readily available to be abused at any time.

Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Post by baq »

sanityUnbounded wrote: post #3

After the initial Vault 7 release, and even after Snowden in 2013, this is barely news. Our devices are not secure. Apple portrayed itself as a guardian angel for keeping the FBI of our devices for the past two years, while conveniently forgetting to mention that it has been installing iPhone backdoors for the CIA since 2008. edit: I misread the release, it is possible that they are installed after the fact, and appl…

just a note: the fact that wikileaks is most likely putin's work doesn't make it less valuable; it's just that you'll never see anything about russia of relevance, and if you do, it's probably fake. you can be quite sure that leaks from the west are pristine.

Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Post by 3131s »

SomeStupidPoint wrote: post #26
3131s wrote: post #18

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> breaking their charter in a massive way by domestically spying on a bunch of students sitting around in class. You are aware that the CIA has done exactly that already, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_RESISTANCE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS

Uh, that second link isn't like the first. Foreign PSYOPs exploiting local minority (or other) groups is a standard way to undermine a government. It's a tactic at least thousands of years old. I would say it's literally the CIAs job to keep an eye on that kind of activity. Circling back to your first link, which is an issue, Im still not 100% convinced they acted inappropriately. You notice how it says they compiled…

> Foreign PSYOPs exploiting local minority (or other) groups is a standard way to undermine a government. It's a tactic at least thousands of years old.

> I would say it's literally the CIAs job to keep an eye on that kind of activity.

Ok, and they did so by spying on Students for a Democratic Society, which is mentioned in the second link. I fail to see your point.

Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Post by xmjtee912 »

1001101 wrote: post #28
SomeStupidPoint wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should I care a spy agency has spy tools? (Which is all these leaks show.) I mean, the CIA could always have broken in to my house undetected and set up tiny microphones -- why should I worry now that they use computers as part of that, but not then when it was bugs transmitting radio? The reason people don't care now is why they didn't care then : so what? Do you really believe the CIA gives a shit about what yo…

> Do you really believe the CIA gives a shit about what you have to say? As we learned from the Snowden leaks, surveillance is being conducted on a massive scale under the purview of a secret court that rubber stamps whatever comes across its desk, and not in a targeted manner as in your bug argument. I still have a right and desire for privacy, which is not a function of whether or not the CIA, or anyone, cares what…

>I still have a right and desire for privacy

Not going to happen, even if you wanted privacy the all states (Aka rich and corporations) fears the population of the globe becoming political.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ZyJw_cHJY

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