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Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Post by SomeStupidPoint »

sanityUnbounded wrote: post #3

After the initial Vault 7 release, and even after Snowden in 2013, this is barely news. Our devices are not secure. Apple portrayed itself as a guardian angel for keeping the FBI of our devices for the past two years, while conveniently forgetting to mention that it has been installing iPhone backdoors for the CIA since 2008. edit: I misread the release, it is possible that they are installed after the fact, and appl…

> The CIA is collecting data from these devices as I am writing this.

Citation needed.

The CIA is almost certainly ignoring all of that data. [Ed: Since this was unclear, by "ignoring", I meant not interested in and not capturing it. As in, they're "ignoring" the information stream by not tapping it.]

If anyone is collecting it, which is largely doubtful, it would be Facebook collecting microphone noise or Google collecting location data (or other apps doing similarly). Of course, people have volunteered that data themselves, and you should be annoyed at your classmates for recording you.

The CIA (and other letter boys) can gain access to the data stored by these commercial companies after the fact, as part of their chartered duties.

You have some kind of voyeuristic fantasy that just because spy tools exist at a spy agency, they're somehow -- ZOMG! muh democracy! -- breaking their charter in a massive way by domestically spying on a bunch of students sitting around in class.

No. That's paranoid fantasy. There are real issues with the CIA, but that they own computer spy tools (and your fantasy of being watched hundreds of times right now) isn't one of them.

Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Post by 3131s »

jerf wrote: post #8
sanityUnbounded wrote: post #3

After the initial Vault 7 release, and even after Snowden in 2013, this is barely news. Our devices are not secure. Apple portrayed itself as a guardian angel for keeping the FBI of our devices for the past two years, while conveniently forgetting to mention that it has been installing iPhone backdoors for the CIA since 2008. edit: I misread the release, it is possible that they are installed after the fact, and appl…

"barely news...." "hard to find anyone that actually cares...." What Wikileaks is changing, and what has had a real effect even here on HN let alone out in the normal world, is that we didn't quite know that the government was doing all these things. We very very very much expected that they were doing these things, but we were never faced with cold hard evidence. And a great deal of the rest of the populace sort of…

GP is lamenting the fact that this is "barely news" and the bit about Wikileaks being a threat was sarcasm.

Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

#13

Post by [deleted] »

sanityUnbounded wrote: post #3

After the initial Vault 7 release, and even after Snowden in 2013, this is barely news. Our devices are not secure. Apple portrayed itself as a guardian angel for keeping the FBI of our devices for the past two years, while conveniently forgetting to mention that it has been installing iPhone backdoors for the CIA since 2008. edit: I misread the release, it is possible that they are installed after the fact, and appl…

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Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Post by sanityUnbounded »

Chaebixi wrote: post #6
sanityUnbounded wrote: post #3

After the initial Vault 7 release, and even after Snowden in 2013, this is barely news. Our devices are not secure. Apple portrayed itself as a guardian angel for keeping the FBI of our devices for the past two years, while conveniently forgetting to mention that it has been installing iPhone backdoors for the CIA since 2008. edit: I misread the release, it is possible that they are installed after the fact, and appl…

>> Also included in this release is the manual for the CIA's "NightSkies 1.2" a "beacon/loader/implant tool" for the Apple iPhone. Noteworthy is that NightSkies had reached 1.2 by 2008, and is expressly designed to be physically installed onto factory fresh iPhones. i.e the CIA has been infecting the iPhone supply chain of its targets since at least 2008 . > Apple portrayed itself as a guardian angel for keeping the…

Yes you are right. My mistake, although I'd be very interested for wikileaks to reveal which shipping companies are complicit, whether it be USPS, UPS, or the packages are intercepted in China before they even reach the states.

Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Post by bogomipz »

tbirrell wrote: post #4

I laugh at all these pop culture code names. Like guys... Don't do that... You look like you are desperate to stay in touch.

As opposed to names like "Chaos Monkey", "Zesty Zapus", "mustache.js", "MongoDB" and other such open source project names discussed on HN?

Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

#16

Post by SomeStupidPoint »

jerf wrote: post #8
sanityUnbounded wrote: post #3

After the initial Vault 7 release, and even after Snowden in 2013, this is barely news. Our devices are not secure. Apple portrayed itself as a guardian angel for keeping the FBI of our devices for the past two years, while conveniently forgetting to mention that it has been installing iPhone backdoors for the CIA since 2008. edit: I misread the release, it is possible that they are installed after the fact, and appl…

"barely news...." "hard to find anyone that actually cares...." What Wikileaks is changing, and what has had a real effect even here on HN let alone out in the normal world, is that we didn't quite know that the government was doing all these things. We very very very much expected that they were doing these things, but we were never faced with cold hard evidence. And a great deal of the rest of the populace sort of…

Why should I care a spy agency has spy tools? (Which is all these leaks show.)

I mean, the CIA could always have broken in to my house undetected and set up tiny microphones -- why should I worry now that they use computers as part of that, but not then when it was bugs transmitting radio?

The reason people don't care now is why they didn't care then: so what? Do you really believe the CIA gives a shit about what you have to say?

Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Post by NietTim »

sanityUnbounded wrote: post #3

After the initial Vault 7 release, and even after Snowden in 2013, this is barely news. Our devices are not secure. Apple portrayed itself as a guardian angel for keeping the FBI of our devices for the past two years, while conveniently forgetting to mention that it has been installing iPhone backdoors for the CIA since 2008. edit: I misread the release, it is possible that they are installed after the fact, and appl…

Are you kidding me? Wikileaks is giving is proof against conspiracy nuts that we have never had before. Just because people in your bubble don't care, doesn't mean that this isn't effective. Releases like this spark discussion and give people fuel to fight the fire.

Can I get a source on this?

> while conveniently forgetting to mention that it has been installing iPhone backdoors for the CIA since 2008.

I'm more inclined to believe a company then someone who clearly has a nack against Wikileaks.

Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

#18

Post by 3131s »

SomeStupidPoint wrote: post #11
sanityUnbounded wrote: post #3

After the initial Vault 7 release, and even after Snowden in 2013, this is barely news. Our devices are not secure. Apple portrayed itself as a guardian angel for keeping the FBI of our devices for the past two years, while conveniently forgetting to mention that it has been installing iPhone backdoors for the CIA since 2008. edit: I misread the release, it is possible that they are installed after the fact, and appl…

> The CIA is collecting data from these devices as I am writing this. Citation needed. The CIA is almost certainly ignoring all of that data. [Ed: Since this was unclear, by "ignoring", I meant not interested in and not capturing it. As in, they're "ignoring" the information stream by not tapping it.] If anyone is collecting it, which is largely doubtful, it would be Facebook collecting microphone noise or Google col…

> breaking their charter in a massive way by domestically spying on a bunch of students sitting around in class.

You are aware that the CIA has done exactly that already, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_RESISTANCE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS

Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Post by imron »

SomeStupidPoint wrote: post #11
sanityUnbounded wrote: post #3

After the initial Vault 7 release, and even after Snowden in 2013, this is barely news. Our devices are not secure. Apple portrayed itself as a guardian angel for keeping the FBI of our devices for the past two years, while conveniently forgetting to mention that it has been installing iPhone backdoors for the CIA since 2008. edit: I misread the release, it is possible that they are installed after the fact, and appl…

> The CIA is collecting data from these devices as I am writing this. Citation needed. The CIA is almost certainly ignoring all of that data. [Ed: Since this was unclear, by "ignoring", I meant not interested in and not capturing it. As in, they're "ignoring" the information stream by not tapping it.] If anyone is collecting it, which is largely doubtful, it would be Facebook collecting microphone noise or Google col…

> The CIA is almost certainly ignoring all of that data.

I guess that makes it all ok then. Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Post by sanityUnbounded »

SomeStupidPoint wrote: post #11
sanityUnbounded wrote: post #3

After the initial Vault 7 release, and even after Snowden in 2013, this is barely news. Our devices are not secure. Apple portrayed itself as a guardian angel for keeping the FBI of our devices for the past two years, while conveniently forgetting to mention that it has been installing iPhone backdoors for the CIA since 2008. edit: I misread the release, it is possible that they are installed after the fact, and appl…

> The CIA is collecting data from these devices as I am writing this. Citation needed. The CIA is almost certainly ignoring all of that data. [Ed: Since this was unclear, by "ignoring", I meant not interested in and not capturing it. As in, they're "ignoring" the information stream by not tapping it.] If anyone is collecting it, which is largely doubtful, it would be Facebook collecting microphone noise or Google col…

> The CIA is almost certainly ignoring all of that data

Citation needed.

Do you suggest that the data is destroyed after it is deemed unimportant?

If not, that suggests a far more terrifying scenario in which the data is collected and stored in the event that it would need to be brought up at a later date.

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