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I highly doubt that John Deere operates any semiconductor foundries. Those foundries aren't your normal run of the mill factories. They are $10B monsters just to get started.
They could have a fab operating at a lower process node for manufacturing microcontrollers, but I also think that it's not likely.
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
[citation needed] There is no vehicle on the market (that I know of) which will refuse to run without an oil change. On my 17 year old BMW and 2 year old VW, the oil service indicator is just a reminder, a courtesy. On the BMW I can reset it with a paper clip. On the VW I can reset it on the screen on the dash. Honestly, most of the major things that go wrong with cars these days are still mechanical, and are still f…
On my Smart the service reminder is similarly easy to reset. All i need to do is press and hold two buttons that are too far apart to be pressed by one hand while turning on the ignition on the center console. I usually do it by pressing the indicator with my feet and turning the key by hand.
Could you give more details? I'm interested about it.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you think the capital costs for Tesla are bad try getting into a smaller market where tractors start at ~$150k. Kubota has been trying to go upmarket but it's not something that can be done overnight. I'd be more curious if some of the other players(NH, Case IH, Claas, etc) could use this to their advantage. You see similar things in the CUT(Compact Utility Tractor) segment where LS/Kioti/Mahindra generally offer…
> Mahindra I had no idea Mahindraactually had a presence in the US. Can you tell me how they are generally regarded?
I want to say they sponsored a NASCAR or Indycar race.
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#145>> they do it to avoid legal liability and fraudulent warrantee claims. That is simply false... Both can be done with out locking out owner They do this to Appease their Dealer Network, and to make sure their Dealers make money.... This has very very little to do with Legal Liability. Sorry you bought the corporate PR bullshit
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#146Farmers are an independent group. They are used to relying on their own skills and hard work to make a living, and they are not going to tolerate this. I think it is an overreach for John Deere and other manufacturers to control what I do with my (my!) devices. I really hope this law gets passed to prevent companies from doing this. Farmers can really help, because everyone knows we depend on them for our food, so an…
> Farmers are an independent group ...who receive billions in federal subsidies. > They are used to relying on their own skills and hard work Almost universally using machines and seeds designed by engineers and scientists in "The City". (excluding Amish farmers, in which case, my sincerest apologies for the skepticism.) > I think it is an overreach for John Deere and other manufacturers to control what I do with my…
I think there may be a disconnect between individual "farmers", who are perceived as rugged individualists, and well-connected farm companies with deeper pockets and lobbyists. It seems like John Deere's restrictions are more harmful to small family farms than to large agricultural corporations, right?
Would large farm lobbying groups fight against Deere's practices, when harming small family farms drives business to larger agri-businesses?
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> Farmers are an independent group ...who receive billions in federal subsidies. > They are used to relying on their own skills and hard work Almost universally using machines and seeds designed by engineers and scientists in "The City". (excluding Amish farmers, in which case, my sincerest apologies for the skepticism.) > I think it is an overreach for John Deere and other manufacturers to control what I do with my…
I think there may be a disconnect between individual "farmers", who are perceived as rugged individualists, and well-connected farm companies with deeper pockets and lobbyists. It seems like John Deere's restrictions are more harmful to small family farms than to large agricultural corporations, right? Would large farm lobbying groups fight against Deere's practices, when harming small family farms drives business to…
> I think there may be a disconnect between individual "farmers", who are perceived as rugged individualists, and well-connected farm companies with deeper pockets and lobbyists
Disagree. Small family farms provide the votes, farming companies provide the lobbying $. They're symbiotic, and both benefit from subsidies (to the extent that small family farms own the land they farm, which many do).
In any case, the "rugged individualist farmer" myth is a myth. And as long as my tax dollars subsidize their profits, I'll continue to point out the hypocrisy.
99.9% of farming really is just one more inter-connected industry these days. There's nothing wrong with inter-connectedness and inter-dependency, BTW. But it is extraordinary hypocritical to appeal to one's self-sustenance as a justification for preferential legal/policy treatment when you're working in an industry that relies not only a myriad of other industries, but also huge federal subsidies.
> Would large farm lobbying groups fight against Deere's practices, when harming small family farms drives business to larger agri-businesses?
Sure. Decreasing maintenance costs helps their bottom line too. And decreasing their operational costs is probably a more sustainable and probable way to drive out family farms anyways.
> It seems like John Deere's restrictions are more harmful to small family farms than to large agricultural corporations, right?
Really only in the sense of diminishing marginal utility of money.
(As I said above, I'm not siding with John Deere. So we agree. But I'm also not siding against John Deere because of any level of sympathy for farmers' romantic self image of "independence".)
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They could have a fab operating at a lower process node for manufacturing microcontrollers, but I also think that it's not likely.
http://www.manta.com/c/mm3k9t4/phoenix-international-a-john-...
Looks like standard electronics manufacturing; nothing state-of-the-art. It's still interesting that they chose to design and manufacture it all in-house.
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http://www.manta.com/c/mm3k9t4/phoenix-international-a-john-...
Looks like standard electronics manufacturing; nothing state-of-the-art. It's still interesting that they chose to design and manufacture it all in-house.
I didn't mean to imply that it was in some way non-standard or state-of-the-art; only that they do, in fact, manufacture some of their electronics in-house.
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#150Seems like a great opportunity for Kubota. Or some other tractor company. Or I guess a "startup" that makes tractors though I wonder what the time to market on that would be.
If you think the capital costs for Tesla are bad try getting into a smaller market where tractors start at ~$150k. Kubota has been trying to go upmarket but it's not something that can be done overnight. I'd be more curious if some of the other players(NH, Case IH, Claas, etc) could use this to their advantage. You see similar things in the CUT(Compact Utility Tractor) segment where LS/Kioti/Mahindra generally offer…
Yeah this thought occurred to me as well. If I ran one of the other companies, I'd make it a marketing issue that we let farmer's hack all they want on their own tractors.