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Post by throwaway2048 »

Sanddancer wrote: post #187
derefr wrote: post #131

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My theory is that they strongly believe PCIe-over-Thunderbolt (now -over-USB-C) will obviate all need for internal expandibility/upgradability, and they went all-in on a form-factor (the garbage-can Mac) to take advantage of that... and then the market has stubbornly refused to co-operate by releasing Thunderbolt peripherals equivalent to internal components. So they're playing chicken with said market, probably unde…

Which won't happen until Intel is more willing to loosen their grip on Thunderbolt. With Thunderbolt, in order to even get in the door, you have to file an application to request to get into the development program which they promise to get back to you within three weeks in order to just get the datasheets needed to start designing. Conversely, protocols like PCIe and USB, you can get the chips, the datasheets, and d…

Not to mention you can only buy controllers from intel, and we are talking $50+ a controller, its totally insane.

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Post by dom0 »

coldtea wrote: post #186
dom0 wrote: post #181

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So? I claimed neither.

Well, by writing "Any reasonably well built desktop PC does that" it seemed like you imply that most models available in the market do it as well.

No, most aren't well built, but that's nothing specific to PCs or even computers. Most stuff is designed to be assembled easily, quickly and cheaply by unqualified workers. That doesn't per se contradict that the result is well built, but usually means that compromises are made to accomodate the assembly process, which diminishes other qualities of the product.

E.g. you'll never find a high-end CPU cooler in a factory-assembled PCs, simply because they are too difficult and slow to mount. Compared to a simple push-pin or lever-mounted cooler these can have a dozen parts or more and require funneling screws through cutouts in the cooler itself etc. -- you just won't see that on an assembly line.

There are also other issues, more specific to PCs, e.g. the standard case form factor does a poor job supplying graphics cards with fresh air. Other case form factors solve this (e.g. Silverstone has some; the "trash can" Mac Pro follows a similar concept), but tend to incur other compromises (and price tags).

Re: Building a Hackintosh Pro

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Post by kuon »

harrygeez wrote: post #221
kuon wrote: post #169

I have been using a similar (a bit lower specs) hackintosh for 2 years. About two weeks ago, I decided to stop and look elsewhere. I started a small serie on my experience if you are interested: https://medium.com/the-missing-bit/leaving-macos-part-1-moti... I am still testing my current setup, but I guess I'll soon publish the last bit, with the setup I found and my conclusions on the switch.

> FUCKING FULL SCREEN MODE WHEN THE GREEN BUTTON IS CLICKED Man this is so me when I updated to El Capitan. What is Apple thinking??? Now I have to hold alt just to increase my window size. At least give us an option to change it! How hard is that, Apple?

I used the Moom to help me with that.

Another good point for windows, it has nearly all the features of Moom, at least those I need.

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Post by noir_lord »

snom380 wrote: post #81
CPLX wrote: post #49

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> I wish I know what Apple was thinking. It's literally incomprehensible. Just make a really good fast desktop computer. They're one of the largest companies in the world now with essentially unlimited financial resources, and decades of core competency in making high end desktop computers. So like why don't they just fucking do it.

The problem is that they still have a pretty small product design department, and they're committed to not shipping "crap" products. What I really don't understand is why they didn't foresee this, and just updated their cheese grater Macs. After all, it's way easier to simply update a motherboard to fit a faster CPU than it is to rearchitect the Garbage Can design every time there's a new CPU and GPU architecture out…

The cheese grater design is one of my favourite designs for a tower ever and I've never owned a Mac.

The business partner has an old one that he uses because it has some old software he needs for design files.

When it eventually dies I'm converting it to a normal PC case and using it for my next build.

It's just a beautiful design.

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Post by jasonlotito »

Razengan wrote: post #101
jasonlotito wrote: post #98

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> Re: the LG shielding mishap, you're blaming Apple for a completely different company's product, okay. It's a monitor Apple effectively blessed as their monitor replacement. They sold it. So... yeah. Yeah, I do blame them for their lack of due diligence. Why is this their problem? Because, how am I supposed to rely on Apple to meet my needs if they are perfectly happy dropping products a business depends on? > Which…

> It's a monitor Apple effectively blessed as their monitor replacement. They sold it. So... yeah. Yeah, I do blame them for their lack of due diligence. Apple don't make the LG Ultrafine Display. Apple offer many other third-party products through their stores, but it's the manufacturer's responsibility to support those. > how am I supposed to rely on Apple to meet my needs if they are perfectly happy dropping produ…

> Apple don't make the LG Ultrafine Display.

But they did make monitors. And Routers. And other things that people bought into. Because Apple "just works." But now it doesn't.

> Apple still make amazing 5120×2880, 10-bits-per-channel screens: The Retina iMacs. If your business depends on such screens, you'd get the iMacs

iMacs are not replacements for MBP + Apple's monitors.

> Why?

Because the previous models have features and capabilities that the new ones do not that they prefer.

> Like? What complaints specifically?

For example, the touch bar button activating not when someone wants the touch buttons to activate. Specifically the latest case, I had a friend joke about how he's changed the background color of his terminal so many time since moving to the latest MBP. That's just one example.

> They have some of the...

shrug I know what I see. Sorry, but running scripts side by side with an older MBP compared to the latest MBP, the older one won hands down.

> I use it daily

And you weren't clued into the GPs remark about the touch screen? You honestly couldn't figure it out?

> They've also outsold all other competitors in just a single month.

And just because others like something, that means it's good for me?

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Post by jasonlotito »

Razengan wrote: post #128
nottorp wrote: post #113

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Another one that defends the laptops when the original article is about a Mac Pro replacement :) > Can display at-a-glance status such as time, battery etc. You look at the keyboard when you type? Not my demographic then, i type too much for that. It's probably fine for you. > All of the over-a-dozen developers/tech-oriented people that -I- know prefer the 2016 MBPs to everything else. They've also outsold all other…

> You don't know any developers working on compiled software. I do. I expect your next response will impose qualifiers on "developers" and "compiled software." :) > my OP - are from people who need a powerful desktop for work. Your OP said: > Problem is, Apple doesn't have anything for power users or developers right now. > I used to say that their laptops are fine My experience is that their laptops are still more t…

> My experience is that their laptops are still more than fine enough for power users and developers.

And My experience is that their laptops are not more than fine enough for power users and developers.

Now, why can't we be both right? That your needs are clearly met by the laptop, but others aren't? Are you somehow impacted if people who used to like the products put out are now disappointed by them? That people who were looking to buy new machines spent their money else where and had better results?

Do you feel that if these people are right, that somehow this negates your choice and needs? Why are you working so hard to dictate that their needs are unimportant and that your needs are superior?

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Post by jasonlotito »

Razengan wrote: post #159
nottorp wrote: post #152

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> Why do you keep saying this? The Touch Bar replaces the FN keys, not the keyboard. I use those keys. Without looking down. > Which computer do you use? Is it a desktop without any fans? Let's say I build my systems according to the advice on silentpcreview.com. Apple laptops on full load may be quiet for a laptop, but they have nothing on a custom built desktop.

> I use those keys. Without looking down. Unless you slide your finger across the keyboard to "count" which FN key is under your finger, you can still use FN keys on the Touch Bar, without looking down; they are in the same positions. The Touch Bar is always within your peripheral vision when you're looking at the screen anyway [1] [2]. > Let's say I build my systems according to the advice on silentpcreview.com. App…

> they are in the same positions.

This is simply not true.

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Post by kalleboo »

arm wrote: post #235
kalleboo wrote: post #208

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> My only issue is that I have only ever run snow leopard on it and now chrome no longer has updates, so I need to move to ... mavericks maybe ? I feel like mavericks is the most stable/sane OSX release since SL ... This will obviously depend on the hardware/software you use but Mavericks was the buggiest and worst OS X release on my rMBP. I was rebooting weekly due to weird graphics drivers glitches and inexplicable…

El Capitan is probably the best choice at this time; Sierra is an absolute train wreck: http://tidbits.com/article/16966 EDIT : 10.12.3 doesn’t seem to be much better, sadly: http://tidbits.com/article/17010

Sounds like it's only an "absolute train wreck" if your workflow depends on editing PDFs with annotation layers in software that uses PDFKit.

My interaction with PDFs starts with viewing a linked one in Safari and ends with "save as PDF to web receipts folder" and for that kind of usage there are absolutely no problems. I always thought that for anything half-advanced with PDFs (like filling out forms) you'd want to install Acrobat Reader anyway...

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Post by bluedino »

ksec wrote: post #234
bluedino wrote: post #79

>> Maybe Apple have been waiting for the recently released Ryzen CPUs from AMD? You can't even run the stock kernel on AMD chips. How much QA and other work Apple would have to do, I have no idea.

That is when you see the whole tool chain, OSX, Xcode, Compiler all optimized for Ryzen in WWDC. I hope. I honestly dont think any consumer will stop buying Mac just because Intel isn't inside the Mac. And it will save Apple at least $200 BOM per Mac, making final Mac Selling price around ~$250 less. Slightly more affordable. Or more likely, staying within the same pricing and give you double the SSD storage.

AMD would have to match the current power draw and integrated GPU that Apple can get from Intel before they switched on the portable front.

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Post by bluedino »

adar wrote: post #223
bluedino wrote: post #79

>> Maybe Apple have been waiting for the recently released Ryzen CPUs from AMD? You can't even run the stock kernel on AMD chips. How much QA and other work Apple would have to do, I have no idea.

The crew over at amd-osx.com figured it out, can't imagine it'd be much more difficult for Apple to do so.

There's more to it than getting it 'working'. Airplay support, for one.
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