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Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by lolwaaaat »

Ensorceled wrote: post #132
lolwaaaat wrote: post #127

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What drives you crazy about vegans? That your flawed, biased assumptions are challenged? Protein is in all whole foods. You don't need to eat soy, or legumes, to get your fill as a vegan. You just eat food. Like a regular person. Except you don't hurt animals in the process. Simple!

Weird. All my vegan and vegetarian cookbooks have lentils, beans, chickpeas or tofu. often mixed with nuts, in pretty much every dish. And suggest nutritional yeast as a good source of B vitamins, especially B12 (admittedly as an additive) This is wrong? Are you claiming you can just eat cruciferous vegetables, for instance, and be fine?

Well, humans require fewer than 5% of calories to be derived from protein, that's about 50-60g for males and slightly less for females. You could eat 2,500 calories of only fruit and still get enough protein. But not B12, that requires a supplement. The sources you mentioned are high in protein, but I would argue they aren't necessary for a functional vegan diet.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by digikata »

jimmywanger wrote: post #80
digikata wrote: post #40

So why are all the engineered meat startups targeting pretty common meats that are fairly low cost? Why not a something like tuna which is endangered and can sell at a really high cost per pound. Take the Tesla strategy and build for a high-end exotic market that can sustain a high-margin first then get into position for the wider, lower margin market.

Any high end cut of meat (dry aged ribeye, tuna belly) is orders of magnitude harder to make realistic than low end meat. With high end stuff, you're really catering to the connoisseur. And if you can tell the difference between a dry-aged ribeye and a wet-aged ribeye, think about making a lab grown substitute for that level of discernment. In fact, I read somewhere that the reason California rolls were invented was…

It seems to me that the macroscopic tissue structure of tuna I see in sushi is simpler and more consistent that of a ribeye steak, but I'm no biologist.

The dry vs wet aged ribeye is a little off to me too, don't they have the input of a raw steak (engineered or natural) if you're going to put it into an aging process?

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by r00fus »

mnw21cam wrote: post #106
thevardanian wrote: post #86

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You also have to factor in the fact that meat produced in this country is also heavily subsidized by the government.

"This country" isn't very specific.

YC is based in the US.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by Ensorceled »

lolwaaaat wrote: post #141
Ensorceled wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird. All my vegan and vegetarian cookbooks have lentils, beans, chickpeas or tofu. often mixed with nuts, in pretty much every dish. And suggest nutritional yeast as a good source of B vitamins, especially B12 (admittedly as an additive) This is wrong? Are you claiming you can just eat cruciferous vegetables, for instance, and be fine?

Well, humans require fewer than 5% of calories to be derived from protein, that's about 50-60g for males and slightly less for females. You could eat 2,500 calories of only fruit and still get enough protein. But not B12, that requires a supplement. The sources you mentioned are high in protein, but I would argue they aren't necessary for a functional vegan diet.

As somebody who runs and trains in karate, I need more like 80g per day. I'd be hard pressed to do that with only fruit.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by cowpewter »

marricks wrote: post #61
jordanthoms wrote: post #43

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Chicken breast and many other meats have a much higher ratio of protein compared to carbs and fat than tofu, beans, etc.

This argument boggles my mind. Are we all body builders? Why do we need to eat like them? There's this protein craze going on that we all need to eat the densest sources of protein cause we all look like Arnold. The amount of protein in seeds, tofu, seitan, nuts, legumes is plenty for almost anyone. And if you are power lifting even omnivore lifters take protein shakes after working out usually.

I'm a Type 2 Diabetic. I control my blood sugar with a low carb, high fat diet. I don't eat extreme amounts of protein, but I do need a form of it that doesn't come with a lot of added carbs, and I think eating whole foods is a lot healthier than eating proteins that have been isolated out of plant foods.

I eat meat and (non-starchy) vegetables. I don't eat like a bodybuilder, but neither is a plant-protein-based diet easy for me.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by spdionis »

throwaway243546 wrote: post #84
imaginenore wrote: post #30

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When you stop doing what you like/love, it's a huge decline in quality of life.

This argument only works if you assume that people who go vegan enjoys food less than they did before they went vegan. The reality is that most vegans report enjoying food much more. The reason for that is that they are forced to experiment with different flavors and get more creative, which expands their culinary horizons.

This is a faulty argument. People who join various religious sects say the same exact things.

Overlooking whether vegans or religious sects are good, bad or whatever, what really happens is probably that people find other vegan people, become part of a community and enjoy that.

It's the same cargo cult process that makes everyone want an Iphone. I dread the day when a high percentage or, god forbid, majority of people start looking down on those dirty meat-eaters because "won't anyone think of the animals?".

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by spdionis »

Given all the discussion about vegans here, I dread the day when a high percentage or, god forbid, majority of the population start looking down on those dirty, pesky, meat-eaters that ruin the environment and "won't anyone please think of the poor animals?".

Honestly artificial meat sounds like a repulsive idea an i'd never consider eating it regularly, maybe just taste as a curiosity.

I like my steaks rare, I like the taste of the juice that's left by the blood in the steak. I like to see the red in the meat.

Some vegans reading this will think I'm a horrible person. Others will think themselves better people than me because they are not enslaved by meat. Honestly, I find this much more repulsive than the way animals are treated in farms.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by lolwaaaat »

Ensorceled wrote: post #144
lolwaaaat wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, humans require fewer than 5% of calories to be derived from protein, that's about 50-60g for males and slightly less for females. You could eat 2,500 calories of only fruit and still get enough protein. But not B12, that requires a supplement. The sources you mentioned are high in protein, but I would argue they aren't necessary for a functional vegan diet.

As somebody who runs and trains in karate, I need more like 80g per day. I'd be hard pressed to do that with only fruit.

Why do you need more than 80g per day? What's the basis of this estimate?

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by Ensorceled »

lolwaaaat wrote: post #148
Ensorceled wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As somebody who runs and trains in karate, I need more like 80g per day. I'd be hard pressed to do that with only fruit.

Why do you need more than 80g per day? What's the basis of this estimate?

Running Room, Livestrong, MyFitnessPal, countless other sites, my running clinic leader, the sports nutritionist at my running clinic, my doctor (certified in sports medicine) all recommended between 80 and 100 grams.

You really don't know what you are talking about do you?

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by jimmywanger »

lolwaaaat wrote: post #140
jimmywanger wrote: post #136

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> You think "raw" meat is unprocessed? Your reading comprehension needs work. And compared to tofu, a cut of raw meat is far less processed.

That's false and, frankly, quite a naive assertion which is easily refuted.

> quite a naive assertion which is easily refuted.

Then refute it, instead of spouting baseless accusations. With meat, you cut the meat off the animal after skinning it.

With tofu, you dry the beans, soak them, add a chemical coagulant to the fluid, and then press it.

I don't know what sources you're reading, or what your definition of the word "processed" is, but neither are commonly accepted.

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