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Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

marricks wrote: post #34
readams wrote: post #27

Though I'm a meat eater, I have a strong suspicion that the arrival of high-quality meat alternatives will cause a societal shift away from eating meat to the point where it would become rare. As it is, giving up meat is a huge decline in quality of life and its easy to rationalize meat consumption. It needs to be actually comparable in quality and the price needs to come way down though first. It's easy to imagine a…

I gave up animal products and found a pretty good increase in quality of life. It happened when other changes were occuring in my life, but I lost weight, hung out with other vegans, felt better overall. It can really depend on when you live, but being vegan in most US metropolitan areas is pretty easy these days. As for lab meats, they're great and I'm generally for them, but acting like we don't have viable other s…

> acting like we don't have viable other solutions is a bit silly. Lentils, beans, nuts, seeds, seitan, tofu, all great sources of protein.

Depends on what you mean by "viable". Food is a huge part of culture and while those items you listed do provide protein it's, in my opinion, no where near as enjoyable as various types of meat. In fact many of that, to me, is really gross and I've tried multiple versions of all of it.

Naturally to others meat may be gross. There isn't a one size fits all solution here. We've evolved taste for a reason and it's hard to ignore if you don't like the "other solutions".

So I would say I disagree with your statement when you call the other items "viable other solutions" :)

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by marricks »

m_fayer wrote: post #35
markba wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it a huge decline in quality of life?

Meat is the easiest form of high quality protein. Not everyone's digestive system is amenable to high quantities of non-meat protein sources or to high-carb diets.

How is it easiest? Perhaps most accessible how society is currently setup, but beans, tofu, etc are all good for you, plenty of vegan body builders rely on them.

This "high quality" protein myth is garbage.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by jordanthoms »

marricks wrote: post #42
m_fayer wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meat is the easiest form of high quality protein. Not everyone's digestive system is amenable to high quantities of non-meat protein sources or to high-carb diets.

How is it easiest? Perhaps most accessible how society is currently setup, but beans, tofu, etc are all good for you, plenty of vegan body builders rely on them. This "high quality" protein myth is garbage.

Chicken breast and many other meats have a much higher ratio of protein compared to carbs and fat than tofu, beans, etc.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by greglindahl »

digikata wrote: post #40

So why are all the engineered meat startups targeting pretty common meats that are fairly low cost? Why not a something like tuna which is endangered and can sell at a really high cost per pound. Take the Tesla strategy and build for a high-end exotic market that can sustain a high-margin first then get into position for the wider, lower margin market.

One meat startup went into high-end leather: http://www.modernmeadow.com/

Another algae-to-make-food company went into high-end oils for cosmetics: http://www.solazyme.com/ (and some other industrial things, from what I see now)

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by marricks »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #41
marricks wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I gave up animal products and found a pretty good increase in quality of life. It happened when other changes were occuring in my life, but I lost weight, hung out with other vegans, felt better overall. It can really depend on when you live, but being vegan in most US metropolitan areas is pretty easy these days. As for lab meats, they're great and I'm generally for them, but acting like we don't have viable other s…

> acting like we don't have viable other solutions is a bit silly. Lentils, beans, nuts, seeds, seitan, tofu, all great sources of protein. Depends on what you mean by "viable". Food is a huge part of culture and while those items you listed do provide protein it's, in my opinion, no where near as enjoyable as various types of meat. In fact many of that, to me, is really gross and I've tried multiple versions of all…

I used to really like eating meat too. Also used to not like seitan or beans much, but now I love 'em. Tastes changed since I went vegan.

If your litmus test for "viable" is what currently makes you the happiest you'll be blocked off from not only helping the world but likely helping yourself too.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by [deleted] »

greglindahl wrote: post #44
digikata wrote: post #40

So why are all the engineered meat startups targeting pretty common meats that are fairly low cost? Why not a something like tuna which is endangered and can sell at a really high cost per pound. Take the Tesla strategy and build for a high-end exotic market that can sustain a high-margin first then get into position for the wider, lower margin market.

One meat startup went into high-end leather: http://www.modernmeadow.com/ Another algae-to-make-food company went into high-end oils for cosmetics: http://www.solazyme.com/ (and some other industrial things, from what I see now)

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Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by cgh »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #41
marricks wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I gave up animal products and found a pretty good increase in quality of life. It happened when other changes were occuring in my life, but I lost weight, hung out with other vegans, felt better overall. It can really depend on when you live, but being vegan in most US metropolitan areas is pretty easy these days. As for lab meats, they're great and I'm generally for them, but acting like we don't have viable other s…

> acting like we don't have viable other solutions is a bit silly. Lentils, beans, nuts, seeds, seitan, tofu, all great sources of protein. Depends on what you mean by "viable". Food is a huge part of culture and while those items you listed do provide protein it's, in my opinion, no where near as enjoyable as various types of meat. In fact many of that, to me, is really gross and I've tried multiple versions of all…

It's not just less enjoyable, plant protein is flat-out inferior. The amino acid profile of meat is better (eg leucine) and meat contains creatine, which is essential for explosive athletic performance and which is completely unavailable from plants. It's why powerlifters and practically every other strength and power athlete eats meat.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by lolwaaaat »

m_fayer wrote: post #35
markba wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it a huge decline in quality of life?

Meat is the easiest form of high quality protein. Not everyone's digestive system is amenable to high quantities of non-meat protein sources or to high-carb diets.

All whole foods have protein. All plant foods have all essential amino acids. The eating meat for protein argument is extremely trite and disproved with ease.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by marricks »

cgh wrote: post #47
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> acting like we don't have viable other solutions is a bit silly. Lentils, beans, nuts, seeds, seitan, tofu, all great sources of protein. Depends on what you mean by "viable". Food is a huge part of culture and while those items you listed do provide protein it's, in my opinion, no where near as enjoyable as various types of meat. In fact many of that, to me, is really gross and I've tried multiple versions of all…

It's not just less enjoyable, plant protein is flat-out inferior. The amino acid profile of meat is better (eg leucine) and meat contains creatine, which is essential for explosive athletic performance and which is completely unavailable from plants. It's why powerlifters and practically every other strength and power athlete eats meat.

Like this world record breaking vegan power lifter? http://vegnews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=6137&catId=8

What about this vegan NFL player? https://redditblog.com/2016/06/24/300-pound-vegan-david-cart...

Bit more about myself since I think it's applicable: I'm no world class athlete, but I went vegetarian and started weight lifting a while back. Benched like 120 starting out. Now I'm vegan and can bench 200+ lbs, gained that muscle without eating animals.

Sure, there's some random ingredient that studies show only meat has and may help a little, but plenty of vegan athletes are starting to pop up and show there isn't some special thing in dead animals.

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