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Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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What heartens me is that the shift towards plant-base protein can be gradual while still having a large impact. Ingredients like ground beef make up the majority(?) [1] of beef sold and there are already good plant based simulacra on the market [2] with more coming soon. I have my doubts we'll see anything marketable and cost competitive that could compete with larger cuts of meat in the next decade, but I could see…

Honestly, if all you do is just stop eating beef, you'll cut your footprint from meat by more than half. A serving of chicken takes about 20% of the resources of the same serving of beef.

Lighter cuts of meat combined with the right spices are a gateway to lots of interesting dishes with less or even no meat.

Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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post #17

According to random people on the internet plant based protein isn't as good your for cat as animal based protein. Why couldn't that be the same for humans?

Cats are obligate carnivores. They can't synthesize all the nutrients they need from a plant diet.

Actually neither are humans, unless there is some viable way to synthesise B12 in the intestine.

It is likely that early humans were insectivores too. Or there was some way to get B12 synthesising bacteria up in the duodenum.

Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

#113

Animal agriculture seems to me like one of those things that in 50 to 100 years people will look back on with bewilderment. "You mean you birthed whole animals, let them grow for two years, fed them all the while, just to kill them, chop up their remains, and ship that to people?" Plant based protein and maybe even more so cultured/clean meat (e.g. http://www.memphismeats.com/ ) seem likely to totally replace how we…

"You mean you planted that whole acreage with seed, let them grow, watered and fertilized them all the while, just to cut them down, chop them up and ship that to people?"

Hydroponics is actually a ton easier (at scale): http://www.epicgardening.com/hydroponics-vs-soil/

Seems like a good argument.

Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elucidate? What can't be substituted / augmented otherwise?

http://www.ketotic.org/ advocates my position better than I could.

With what interventional long term studies?

Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm hesitant to believe you've had modern, high quality (or even moderate quality) meat-replacements. My girlfriend is vegan so I've been exposed to an array of options, and there are plenty that I would have never even guessed weren't meat had I not already known. There are members of the vegan community that won't even eat some meat-replacements because it tastes and feels too much like flesh and it grosses them ou…

The question here is whether that "modern, high quality meat-replacement" is equally as affordable as meat (within reason). If so, show me where I can get it. If not, I likely won't reallocate my budget.

Gardein Breakfast Patties[1][2] retail for $3 at my grocery store and regularly have $1-off in-store coupons. Even the macros are solid. Everything else I've tried from Gardein has been excellent as well, and this is far from the best stuff out there.

[1] https://gardein.com/products/breakfast-patties/

[2] http://imgur.com/XUodQQv

Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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post #87

Animal agriculture seems to me like one of those things that in 50 to 100 years people will look back on with bewilderment. "You mean you birthed whole animals, let them grow for two years, fed them all the while, just to kill them, chop up their remains, and ship that to people?" Plant based protein and maybe even more so cultured/clean meat (e.g. http://www.memphismeats.com/ ) seem likely to totally replace how we…

> Animal agriculture seems to me like one of those things that in 50 to 100 years people will look back on with bewilderment. Really? It's not like we've been doing that for 5,000 years or something. But in 50 years they'll be like "What were you doing for the last 5,000 years?" Animal agriculture is not going to be one of those things. In fact I can guarantee you that even if we figure out a meat replacement people…

> Something that's been done for 5,000 years doesn't get stopped that quickly.

Doesn't this prove too much?[1] Plenty of things were common for millennia before they suddenly weren't. Eg: Monarchies, slavery, beasts of burden, and diseases such as smallpox.

1. https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/13/proving-too-much/

Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You mean you planted that whole acreage with seed, let them grow, watered and fertilized them all the while, just to cut them down, chop them up and ship that to people?"

Hydroponics is actually a ton easier (at scale): http://www.epicgardening.com/hydroponics-vs-soil/ Seems like a good argument.

Hydroponics works better for some things than others.

Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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Animal agriculture seems to me like one of those things that in 50 to 100 years people will look back on with bewilderment. "You mean you birthed whole animals, let them grow for two years, fed them all the while, just to kill them, chop up their remains, and ship that to people?" Plant based protein and maybe even more so cultured/clean meat (e.g. http://www.memphismeats.com/ ) seem likely to totally replace how we…

Keto and Paleo are constantly growing. I personally think we'll head in the direction of "to-fit" dieting (through genetics, personal experimenting, etc.).

It'd be foolish to keep swinging back and forth on the USDA/HHS "one size fits all" legislature.

Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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post #7

if they can make affordable plant based chicken that's as tasty and protein-packed as real chicken and veg beef that's as good as real beef, then I'm 100% in. the biggest problem with non-meat foods (for me) has always been with their macros. I can get 32g of protein with nearly zero fat or carbs from 4oz of chicken for less than $2 a serving. Last I checked, this was not possible with alternative food.

1. Seitan can give you that kind of protein. 2. Unless you're on a very specific diet or have some kind of exercise heavy hobby, that is a lot of protein (essentially a day's worth).

32g is not a day's worth, not even by the low standards of the USDA.

Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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post #87

Animal agriculture seems to me like one of those things that in 50 to 100 years people will look back on with bewilderment. "You mean you birthed whole animals, let them grow for two years, fed them all the while, just to kill them, chop up their remains, and ship that to people?" Plant based protein and maybe even more so cultured/clean meat (e.g. http://www.memphismeats.com/ ) seem likely to totally replace how we…

> Animal agriculture seems to me like one of those things that in 50 to 100 years people will look back on with bewilderment. Really? It's not like we've been doing that for 5,000 years or something. But in 50 years they'll be like "What were you doing for the last 5,000 years?" Animal agriculture is not going to be one of those things. In fact I can guarantee you that even if we figure out a meat replacement people…

> As evidence look at how many people want to "go back to the farm", and raise their own animals. On the surface, why? It's harder and more expensive. Yet, people want that anyway.

No one is "going back to the farm" to raise their own cattle, which they slaughter themselves, for a steak. It also doesn't scale to the "buy cheap steaks and grill a steak for lunch every day" level that some people do. Just the reduction to "I'll have one steak per year" is a significant departure from where we are now (which is a significant departure from where we were 100 years ago[1]).

[1] Do you think that the majority of people 100 years go could afford the variety and quantity of meats available to them today?

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