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Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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cmdrfred wrote: post #37
arcticbull wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue the difference here is we could just, you know, eat the plants but we don't want to. 36% of US corn goes to feed animals for meat and dairy (3%-40% efficient). [1] There would be significantly more food to go around if the plants were just eaten directly. It would be more like if there were plows at the time that operated on solar but nobody wanted to use them, and instead, decided to tie horses to the…

If we all lived in 3 foot by 7 foot cubes it would cost a great deal less to heat our homes as well. Just because a more optimal way to do things exist doesn't mean anyone actually wants to do it. I enjoy eating meat, thus I will continue to do so.

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Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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Post by it_learnses »

marak830 wrote: post #19

I'm particularly interested in vat grown meat. As a consumer, I do care about the footprint of my meat based protein, although I don't want to give up eating meat. As a chef, if they can get marbling in, I'm excited for the different styles we could create. Note: a plant based reactor (sorry I couldn't remember the term, the seed for the meat to grow with), has been mentioned a few times as becoming close to ready, w…

yep, vat interests me as well since I am not sure of the amount of carbohydrates in plant based proteins. Lentils and beans for example have good amount of protein, but also tend to have a lot of carbs.

Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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Post by warent »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #30
sethbannon wrote: post #9

Animal agriculture seems to me like one of those things that in 50 to 100 years people will look back on with bewilderment. "You mean you birthed whole animals, let them grow for two years, fed them all the while, just to kill them, chop up their remains, and ship that to people?" Plant based protein and maybe even more so cultured/clean meat (e.g. http://www.memphismeats.com/ ) seem likely to totally replace how we…

It's not clear to me that humans are going to think of a more efficient way to turn energy and matter into food in the next century. We could potentially alter the animals into something that would be hard to recognize, but that'll be an evolution of animal husbandry, not something that will leave us bewildered at animals. What do you see that indicates we're going to make massive leaps beyond what animal life has al…

plants have higher protein and less sodium than meat on avg. Although they do have a lower amino acid count and calorie count, that just means a more diverse plant based diet is in order.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you...

Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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Post by arcticbull »

cmdrfred wrote: post #37
arcticbull wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue the difference here is we could just, you know, eat the plants but we don't want to. 36% of US corn goes to feed animals for meat and dairy (3%-40% efficient). [1] There would be significantly more food to go around if the plants were just eaten directly. It would be more like if there were plows at the time that operated on solar but nobody wanted to use them, and instead, decided to tie horses to the…

If we all lived in 3 foot by 7 foot cubes it would cost a great deal less to heat our homes as well. Just because a more optimal way to do things exist doesn't mean anyone actually wants to do it. I enjoy eating meat, thus I will continue to do so.

The difference is one's uncomfortable, the other you're just used to. Plants are no less tasty, they're just different. I eat meat too, I'm just saying.

Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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Post by tomjakubowski »

xsmasher wrote: post #36
droopyEyelids wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not clear to me that humans are going to think of a more efficient way to turn energy and matter into food in the next century. We could potentially alter the animals into something that would be hard to recognize, but that'll be an evolution of animal husbandry, not something that will leave us bewildered at animals. What do you see that indicates we're going to make massive leaps beyond what animal life has al…

There's already a more efficient way to turn energy and matter into food - plants. Running it through animals before we eat it is the inefficiency.

Livestock can subsist on plants, like wild grasses, that are unpalatable or even inedible to humans. These plants often grow on "unarable" land that won't support human crops. For millennia, humans raised livestock on pasturing lands, seemingly without harming the environment too badly. What stops us from doing that now?

I suspect the real problem is closer to wasting arable land, water, shipping (with all of those environmental externalities), etc. on growing crops that aren't used to directly feed humans, and government subsidies that hide the true cost of corn-fed livestock from consumers.

Re: Tyson Foods CEO: The Future of Food Might Be Meatless

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Post by warent »

cmdrfred wrote: post #37
arcticbull wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue the difference here is we could just, you know, eat the plants but we don't want to. 36% of US corn goes to feed animals for meat and dairy (3%-40% efficient). [1] There would be significantly more food to go around if the plants were just eaten directly. It would be more like if there were plows at the time that operated on solar but nobody wanted to use them, and instead, decided to tie horses to the…

If we all lived in 3 foot by 7 foot cubes it would cost a great deal less to heat our homes as well. Just because a more optimal way to do things exist doesn't mean anyone actually wants to do it. I enjoy eating meat, thus I will continue to do so.

Fair enough. It may be worth empathizing that animals probably don't enjoy being farmed and slaughtered by the billions
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