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Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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As a Linux/Windows developer, Swift remains a toy language as it cannot be used to do develop useful applications for Linux and Windows, where I make all of my money.

As a Linux/Windows developer, you probably are not the primary target audience of Swift. As a developer for Apple platforms, am I right to consider C# or Java toy languages, too?

There are thousands of Apple and Android C# apps (see Xamarin).

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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> Comments like this make it hard to take any side of the discussion seriously. /Neither/ of the OSes are "Escher'esque nightmare[s]." • macOS Finder: http://i.imgur.com/9Y5hK0e.png • Windows Explorer: http://i.imgur.com/ef7CnJ4.png Alright. Maybe not nightmarish, but one of these IS objectively more convoluted than the other. Let's start with something simple: WHY does the "Options" button on the Windows Explorer Ri…

Perhaps you're failing to view things from the perspective of the average user? I see the MacOS Finder and see unlabelled icons. My elderly folks are terrible at remembering what various icons do, and what error messages are for, etc. I've trained them to pause and read the words on the toolbar, read the words on the window, etc. as they're generally self-explanatory. So the finder that is more convoluted for a more…

I see both sides of the arguments but I'm a power user and even I rarely need access to those icons. Let alone my grandma. Surely, I can't be the minority here. If you do not need it, I think it should be hidden by default as Macs have done it.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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I think the is a bit hyperbolic. Apple certainly hasn't given up. It may be having some identity issues, but what I really think is happening is politics. Steve Jobs made Apple, he fought for the company so hard he was fired, then he got acqui-hired back. Let's face it, the guy was invincible (do you really think anyone in their right mind would try to tell Jobs what Apple was and what it was about?) and incredibly talented and focused. He balanced the powers. Now, power grabs and politics is confounding simplicity.

Things that I loved and now I hate:

- spaces (now this convoluted combination of "notifications", no more far left widget screen

- universal zoom, you used to be able to zoom in on anything

- odd wifi issues (wifi was such a pain in the early 2000s on a PC that OSX experience of working was amazing)

- terrible cloud features, icloud, mobileme always sucked but when my computer started automatically updating and then switched to trying to store my local files on icloud it f'ed over my file structure, huge annoyance

- cmd-ctr-alt-8 (defaulted off but enable'able at least)

I'll still probably get a base model air for my next laptop and I run a custom build PC that runs Ubuntu 16 LTS, Win 7, Win 8 (Windows mostly for CAD and other such software still not available on mac, like proprietary 3D printer environments, looking at you Stratasys).

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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People complain that Apple uses proprietary ports. They ditched MagSafe for USB-C and people still complained.

I think the magsafe was at the bottom of the list of "bad choice of proprietary ports by Apple"

I can now charge my Macbook with the same cable I use to charge my phone. I can now charge my laptop from both sides. I can trickle charge my laptop in my car now. It's making my cable life so much simpler. Yes, I have other devices that have yet to catch up to the C spec, but with the leading laptop manufacturer pushing so hard for the C port; I don't think it'll be that long.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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> Comments like this make it hard to take any side of the discussion seriously. /Neither/ of the OSes are "Escher'esque nightmare[s]." • macOS Finder: http://i.imgur.com/9Y5hK0e.png • Windows Explorer: http://i.imgur.com/ef7CnJ4.png Alright. Maybe not nightmarish, but one of these IS objectively more convoluted than the other. Let's start with something simple: WHY does the "Options" button on the Windows Explorer Ri…

There's a lot to not like about Windows's UI, but Explorer is worlds better than Finder, there's absolutely no comparison. Every day I still struggle to remember how to go up a level. Option+Up? Nope that selects the next folder up. Control+Up? No, that made all of my windows do something weird that I don't know what that is. Ah, it's Command+Up. As far as I can tell, there's no non-keyboard way to do it. I can't cli…

> As far as I can tell, there's no non-keyboard way to do it. I can't click a button and go up to the parent folder, all I can do is go back, which is confusing if I forget what the previous folder was.

Right-click on the toolbar and select "Customize Toolbar...", then drag the "Path" button into the toolbar.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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It is so funny to read these Apple vs. Windows discussions when you live outside of North America... The truth is that, for the rest of the world, "Apple platform" means only iOS, only the IPhone, nothing more. In Asia, Africa, Latin America and some parts of Europe, Macs and OSX are a rare species, most people spend years without even seeing a Mac computer "in the wild". They are used only for graphics editing and I…

Have you ever been outside of North America. I see Mac's all over Europe all the time. Not only in developer friendly environments. Busses, trains, coffee shops,...

I live outside North America and I don't see Mac's all over this Europe: http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/europe

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Apple owns the patent on magsafe. That was the one feature I actually liked on my MacBook pro. I have seen to many chargers wear out, or wear out their ports. Magsafe also made it easier to connect the charger. Think how nice it would be to have the same functionality with USB ports....

FWIW, some appliance connectors have used magnets for well over a decade in Japan and elsewhere in Asia (it usually looks like https://www.liandung.com.tw/Japan-m/LT-515.html ). I owned an electric kettle with one of those. I don't understand how Apple could patent this and prevent anyone else from implementing it. In any event, there do seem to be 3rd party implementations for USB-C if you're keen on the feature: ht…

Apple patented MagSafe and how it works, specifically. This doesn't preclude other magnetic breakaway cables if they don't work exactly the same way as MagSafe.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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> Forcing phone features into a desktop and slowly turning the desktop into iOS is not a good thing. Siri, maybe, but there's nothing about an FS or a programming language like Swift that makes them a "phone feature". Same for memory compression (which only exists on the Mac IIRC) and continuity (which would be useful even if it only worked from Mac to Mac). If anything Apple has adamantly refused to "force phone fea…

> Same for memory compression (which only exists on the Mac IIRC) and continuity (which would be useful even if it only worked from Mac to Mac). Windows 10 has memory compression.

And Linux too since Dec 2012.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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> Comments like this make it hard to take any side of the discussion seriously. /Neither/ of the OSes are "Escher'esque nightmare[s]." • macOS Finder: http://i.imgur.com/9Y5hK0e.png • Windows Explorer: http://i.imgur.com/ef7CnJ4.png Alright. Maybe not nightmarish, but one of these IS objectively more convoluted than the other. Let's start with something simple: WHY does the "Options" button on the Windows Explorer Ri…

By default the ribbon is hidden: http://i.imgur.com/5hxOIcb.png I don't use Windows, but it's important to use fair comparisons.

> By default the ribbon is hidden: http://i.imgur.com/5hxOIcb.png

You have to expand it and be faced with that hodgepodge of cluttered buttons to perform many functions. Even with it collapsed, it's still 4! toolbars (counting the buttons in the title bar and the ones in the bottom status bar) and a menu (?) style that is inconsistent with many other built-in Windows apps.

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