I wonder if Arc is the tortoise to Clojure's hare.
PG lists 9 points that made Lisp awesome. After using Clojure for a while, I would argue that a good approach to State, Identity & Value is point #10.
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Would you care to elaborate? Your assertion implies that arc is going to surpass clojure in popularity. Why do you think so? Personally I think that's unlikely to happen given the traction that clojure has been getting already. Clojure has been designed for practical use and is already being used in real world projects whereas I get the impression that arc is sort of a research project where Paul is just experimentin…
I didn't make any assertions. Clojure is wildly successful and follows a pattern of development that seems fruitful to emulate. But in the story, the tortoise does win.
It's not a story. It's a paradox. The tortoise loses, but the paradox pitches logic against intuition and is thus educational, like a koan (from a different cultural tradition). I am not sure if it is applicable to Clojure (as well as Arc and lisp in general) where intuition follows logic rather than contradicts it.
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Would you care to elaborate? Your assertion implies that arc is going to surpass clojure in popularity. Why do you think so? Personally I think that's unlikely to happen given the traction that clojure has been getting already. Clojure has been designed for practical use and is already being used in real world projects whereas I get the impression that arc is sort of a research project where Paul is just experimentin…
I didn't make any assertions. Clojure is wildly successful and follows a pattern of development that seems fruitful to emulate. But in the story, the tortoise does win.
Worse is better and in this case Clojure is even more so 'The zombie-reanimated corpse of Lisp'.
http://jng.imagine27.com/articles/2009-08-19-011225_clojure_...
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#27I wonder if Arc is the tortoise to Clojure's hare.
Arc's problem is that it is not the only tortoise in the race.
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"Multi-core is here to stay", says Rich Hickey
Hopefully not. Multi-core should be seen as a stepping stone on the way to better technology.
Why not have multi-core version of other tech, unless you are talking Quantum Computing, though isn't that in some ways the ultimate form of multi-core?
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#29I wonder if Arc is the tortoise to Clojure's hare.
I wonder if Arc to Clojure isn't more like GNU Hurd to Linux.
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#30Something about a commercial website with its sense of self-interest versus welcoming-user-focus causes me a gut bad reaction. Postgres is an good example of doing this right IMHO: http://www.postgres.com the commercial aspects are underplayed and yet they have a good business. With Postgres I feel I can contribute even if I am not part of the "core." I think Clojure and the businesses around it benefit from keeping…
Why do you think it is a bad idea to differentiate clearly (.com vs. .org) between the business and community aspects of Clojure?
I understand biz talk is a bit of a turnoff when primarily interested in the community aspects but I would expect somebody with limited technical understanding but responsibility on the biz side to prefer a site addressing their immediate concerns (which I think clojure.com does fine).
The only nitpick I would have is that it is not obvious to me if they're targeting startups or established businesses. In the later case "Training" (or "Coaching"?), "Development" (or "Seeding"?) and "Support" might be more on target than "Mentor", "Dev", and "Sustain". In the former (= startup) case I imagine their wording to be very good, but does anybody know if there is actually a market in Development and/or Mentoring consulting for startups?