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Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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In the end you are the reason that uber drivers are being paid so little and have such bad working conditions! Btw, couldn't you ride a bike sometimes? 6 miles sounds doable and would, likely, benefit your health.

If you meant to be sarcastic I still dont get it. If you didnt, why do you attribute the first to the op?

No sarcasm intended. The op chooses to use uber and profit from low cost fares. He pays little and uber is only able to pay out meagre to their drivers. Uber is not profitable, they cannot pay their drivers better without raising the fares. Isn't this a fact?

I didn't mean the op personally, but all who use such a service which imho exploit drivers. One chooses to use such a service and has to shoulder part of the responsability of the bad things that happen at uber atm.

The op would have the lyft alternative (which afaics) has (slightly) better conditions and/or use the bus (or the bike, maybe).

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In Europe, your bus fare would be half of the price and probably you would need one or two connections. The public transport is much more developed and to me seems like a much better mass transportation alternative. More ecological, cheaper, less cars overall.

In Europe, your bus fare would be half of the price Which Europe? ~$100 pr month seems about par for the course for most major cities I've looked at, and some cities, like London, charge quite a bit more.

For bus fare, London is only $100/month. You can get around just fine by bus, although people tend to prefer the tube (which is typically $150-200/month).

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The answer is that, you are using a service that is unsustainably too cheap. In the longer term the price will have to increase, probably quite significantly and you'll have to choose whether you think it's still worth it or take the bus. Unfortunately you, and many others are the ones benefitting from drivers being underpaid.

It's almost like Uberpool could be a privately run bus service using larger vehicles and transporting more people at once, instead of private taxis. Depending on the angle you view it from, perhaps the Uberpool service isn't too cheap, but simply a bad idea from the start, without the infrastructure or a suitable class of vehicle to make it viable.

So... privatised public transportation?

Maybe that's what it'll take for the US to improve its public transportation. Having good ol' fashioned private enterprise instead of the government paying for it.

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The answer is that, you are using a service that is unsustainably too cheap. In the longer term the price will have to increase, probably quite significantly and you'll have to choose whether you think it's still worth it or take the bus. Unfortunately you, and many others are the ones benefitting from drivers being underpaid.

It's almost like Uberpool could be a privately run bus service using larger vehicles and transporting more people at once, instead of private taxis. Depending on the angle you view it from, perhaps the Uberpool service isn't too cheap, but simply a bad idea from the start, without the infrastructure or a suitable class of vehicle to make it viable.

If a bus went down every side street and picked up riders from their house it would take forever to get anywhere, cause bunching etc.. Most people would probably rather walk 5 minutes to a bus stop for a more reliable ride.

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"Yes, but poor people use public transportation to come from bad neighborhoods to good neighborhoods to rob us! We must ban all expansion of public transportation!" This exact sentiment is echoed by many in the US as a reason to not expand public transit. When asked about criminals driving cars to commit crimes, they were not open to bulldozing the roads over. It's gross.

The crime rates are much higher in the United States than in Europe. This website claims rape occurs at a 3 times higher rate and murder at a 6 times higher rate. I couldn't find any good statistics for robbery but I imagine it's in that range. Yes, crime has been decreasing in the United States for around a quarter of a century, but it still occurs at a much higher rate than Europe and almost an order of magnitude h…

It seems to me that it's all the same problem.

If you have strong public spending you have more educated and less desperate people and better public transport.

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Crowded cyclists are much denser than crowded cars. http://www.bikehub.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Munster1...

That's a really shitty comparison. Unless cyclists really do drive in such packs (which they don't). In reality, the effective space taken by cyclist on genera purpose road is bigger than a car — you need a huge safety margin to overtake a cyclist, and if you cannot do that you a forced to follow them untill you can and that's really ineffective. All this does not apply to dedicated cyclist roads/lanes, of course.

Yes, if cyclists have to use infrastructure not designed for them, then they likely take up a fair amount of space.

But that doesn't make the comparison "shitty", it just means you need to do more than convincing people to cycle to get the advantages.

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What benefits are you talking about? As a taxi your only (and important benefit) is the monopolization of your business by the local government. All the rest are plays around that. Also, misses the point: the argument that infrastructure in europe is so much better that there is not a demand or a need for services like uber and lyft contradict the necessity of several cities to ban it. Otherwise they wouldnt have had…

> necessity of several cities to ban it Uber has not been banned in Germany. They provided an illegal service and have never applied for a permit. They have never been legal. They also had drivers operate without the required health certificates and without the required insurance. (The usual "independent contractor and we're just an intermediary" dance didn't fly either - if you're soliciting an illegal service you'r…

> Uber has not been banned in Germany. They provided an illegal service and have never applied for a permit. They have never been legal. They also had drivers operate without the required health certificates and without the required insurance. (The usual "independent contractor and we're just an intermediary" dance didn't fly either - if you're soliciting an illegal service you're not protected by law just be because you're not directly providing the service.) Please also note that not all of Ubers services in Germany have been illegal and some still operate. Notably, the classic car-for-hire service is legal, but seems to be making losses, so yes, they failed.

My experience in berlin was that all uber drivers were taxis and as such the rates they had were comparable if not the same to taxi rates. There could be conditions that I did not see as a tourist, but if Uber could freely move its prices it would have been substantially cheaper that regular taxis. It is so even in argentina, where the service is outright declared illegal.

> The following describes the situation in Berlin. Since Taxi regulation is partly local, things will differ slightly elsewhere, but the gist applies. Data is from 2012, so somewhat outdated but nothing major changed.

Monopoly is not an important benefit for the local taxi industry. There are about 3000 Taxi companies in Berlin, of which the large majority owns 1 car and only about 10% own three or more cars (about 7000 cars, one per 500 inhabitants). Taxi licenses in Berlin are effectively unrestricted. If you want one, prove that you're not convicted of a crime that makes you ineligible, fill in a 6 page form and hand proof of insurance and some papers, pay a fee, wait. Drivers need to pass a health check every few years (vision test etc) and a one-time knowledge test. All in all, a few hundred to a low thousand EUR and you're in business.

However, Uber didn't even consider applying for a local license here, well, "because". They consciously chose to run an unlicensed Taxi service and spin it as if they'd be unfairly treated by authorities. (Eine Runde Mitleid) Licenses may be restricted in other jurisdictions or even - since it's a part of the public transport network, Taxis may even be subsidized (Ruftaxi for example) Benefits that Taxis enjoy is that they're allowed to use lanes restricted for public transport (they are public transport) and may stop on any road at any time to pick up passengers. There are restricted parking spaces at airports, train stations and in central locations that are reserved for taxis.

Thanks for the specific Berlin regulations!

I only saw what I saw, didnt look much into it. If the licenses are relatively unrestricted (cheap, easy to obtain and unlimited) then there is very little stopping a regular person from going through that process and joining Uber. Uber could assist in abiding a very easy regulation and i attest that they tend to not even follow the easy ones (In argentina, they didnt even get a tax id). They deserve and it is just that the law applies to them.

Still, prices are still regulated in berlin, meaning that you cant have the business model of uber work the way it usually does, by combining low-earning drivers with consumers. Also, do taxis require to have car identification? That is another way to restrict low-earning drivers into the market. Etc etc.

If it only were doing basic, cheap and unrestricted access to taxi licenses, then anyone would do it and join uber, without uber needing to do much.

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Here is how I see it. I rely on those rides to go to work every single day and here what it (would) costs me. Uber: $250 a month.(Majority) Lyft: $500 a month (Whenever Uber is too expensive) Bus : $100 a month (1h:15 for 6 miles and 3 buses... No) Politics and all internal conflicts aside, there is a need for these services whether we like it or not. When I need to make a decision in the morning I take whatever is t…

Get a bicycle? I can ride 22km (about twice your commute?) in 1 hour in Australia, and that's being overweight and unfit.. sadly can't do it every day but if / when I could do it every day I'd do it much faster too. Alas I'm driving my own car most days (3-4 days a week) and that's about $20 in toll fees and fuel, not including finance, insurance, reggo and maintenance. It takes from 40-60 minutes each way, so a bit…

I'm a proponent of bicycles, but I acknowledge they aren't a perfect solution for everyone. A city without proper bike lanes or with drivers with contentious attitudes towards bicyclists can make for a problematic and stressful commute.

That's also not getting into weather changes. It's unequivocally true that biking in winter can be more dangerous and less enjoyable than biking in warmer temperatures.

I personally quite enjoyed biking in beautiful Melbourne, especially along the Portsea Return. But in my home city, the infrastructure is decades behind a truly safe environment for cyclists. Despite the fact that the city is constantly growing and the mass transit system is barely making ends meet, the city council still bickers over the merits of creating more bike lanes which only add to the "War on the Car."

Re: Lyft Is Said to Seek New Funding as Its Rival Uber Stumbles

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In Europe, your bus fare would be half of the price and probably you would need one or two connections. The public transport is much more developed and to me seems like a much better mass transportation alternative. More ecological, cheaper, less cars overall.

It also helps that Europe and its cities are ... smaller.

FYI Europe the continent (10,180,000 km2) is larger in area than the USA the country (9,833,520 km2).
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