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Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by magic_beans »

akiselev wrote: post #92
pmoriarty wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think most marijuana smokers are going to want to bother growing their own marijuana any more than cigarette smokers bother to grow their own tobacco. People are also very attracted to brands and swayed by marketing. I don't doubt for an instant that the marijuana industry is going to be gigantic if it ever becomes fully legal in the US.

I don't think the economics are comparable at all. Given that cannabis is literally an invasive weed, getting started is really easy and takes very little (horizontal) space. A past neighbor in Northern California just randomly stuck a few seeds from a dispensary in the middle of her backyard garden, did a little research on how to take care of it, and four months later had more cannabis than the entire block could s…

I think you really underestimate how lazy some people (like me) area. I live in New York, have no access to a garden, and the only room that gets much light in my apartment is my bedroom. Even if cannabis were legal, I would never bother to grow my own, because the plants smell quite strongly.

I also enjoy trying a wide variety strains, which wouldn't work out so well if I was cultivating only a few plants.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by AlwaysRock »

I've got serious neck and shoulder pain from wrestling in high school and college. Currently don't have the time to get proper treatment. Doctors have tried to prescribe opioids and even tranquilizers for the pain to help me sleep but I'm terrified, with good cause, of becoming addicted. I took a run of percocet in high school for my wisdom teeth and enjoyed them too much to ever have that be a regular part of my life. No mater what the pain is like I don't think I'll be able to feel comfortable taking any opioids.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by driverdan »

sergers wrote: post #27
millstone wrote: post #24

Naive questions about this: 1. How many hours does MMJ control pain? 2. Does taking MMJ for chronic pain make you high all the time? 3. In California, most MMJ dispensaries are oriented towards recreational users. How do you go about this from a legitimately medical path, i.e. finding a doctor able and willing to provide sound medical advice, instead of just collecting the fee for a green card?

With having alot of first hand and 2nd hand knowledge, I am very surprised by questions like these that show how much of the knowledge about this wonder drug have been suppressed and or generally just not known. 1)varies on so many factors to get into. -Tolerance,strength,variety,form, and how it's taken. What you eat before consumption can affect. 2)no. Lookup THC vs CBD, for pain relief it's more CBD which doesn't…

I downvoted you for two reasons.

Cannabis is not a wonder drug. It treats a few things effectively, like many other drugs. Just because it has been suppressed doesn't mean you should use hyperbole.

Second, naturopaths are quacks. They do not have proper medical training and often recommend nonsense like homeopathy. They are the opposite of what the OP was asking for.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by zephyrthenoble »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #162

I've got serious neck and shoulder pain from wrestling in high school and college. Currently don't have the time to get proper treatment. Doctors have tried to prescribe opioids and even tranquilizers for the pain to help me sleep but I'm terrified, with good cause, of becoming addicted. I took a run of percocet in high school for my wisdom teeth and enjoyed them too much to ever have that be a regular part of my lif…

I used to have chronic neck pain, and didn't think that it would ever get better. I was eventually convinced to go to physical therapy at a location near my job.

It took several months of me going in for half an hour, twice a week, but my pain started to subside. I now only occasionally get pain when I have very poor posture. Give PT a try. It really doesn't take very long and is very effective.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by driverdan »

prodmerc wrote: post #118
righteousmob wrote: post #80

And fundamentalists Christians would rather let God heal their children than consult medical professionals. Let's not elevate the desires of the non-professional to equal the guidance of medical professionals, no matter how wishful we are to do so.

And they should be free to do so. Fewer dumb people in the world. You want to pop your heroin, you're free to listen to the pros. Others think cannabis works better for them? Let them have it.

> And they should be free to do so.

For themselves sure. For their children, no.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by mistermann »

sergers wrote: post #23
nitemice wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to work done by the Johns Hopkins group, smoking or vaporising can provide pretty quick relief, whereas ingestion is good for chronic pain. https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/what-do-we-know-abou...

Yea maybe I haven't had strong enough. I tried to treat a toothache and another time arm injury by vaping CBD oil at 25mg/ml. 5 ml later(tank capacity), it didn't do too much relief. I think if I had strong enough (500mg-1000mg CBD) I think it could potentially provide larger relief. I think my tolerance has been raised due to years of recreational use vs therapeutic/real medicine use

I think THC might work better than CBD for pain relief?

Also, 25 mg/ml is waaaaay to low, especially when vaping. My THC vape is 800 mg/ml, and it works very well.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by codr4life »

I have a broken spine from a 10 yo climbing accident, with a smashed vertibrae and splinters sticking into the spinal column. I was prescribed Oxy after surgery, spent a month on them and then went through hell and back to get off the shit. I swore to never, ever touch anything from Big Pharma again. Since then, I've been happily puffing my pain away when needed. The whole 'illegalize to protect the people' is so obviously a scam. It's a sacred, healing plant.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by stephancoral »

nol13 wrote: post #156
awestroke wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LSD cannot be patented, so Big Pharma cannot make money on it - they'd have to compete on price, which would lead to really slim margins. If LSD is kept illegal, they can sell patented "alternatives" at huge margins.

As much as I believe that psychedelic experiences should be available to those who seek them, and pro rec mj, LSD can't be legalized. Enough dumbasses out there will drink a vial and then try to drive their car to the moon. Penalties should be much less extreme though. Maybe designated psychedelic theme parks where it's legal and quality controlled with no access to motor vehicles? (with music too?)

>Enough dumbasses out there will drink a vial and then try to drive their car to the moon

Yet alcohol is totally legal.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by M_Grey »

zephyrthenoble wrote: post #164
AlwaysRock wrote: post #162

I've got serious neck and shoulder pain from wrestling in high school and college. Currently don't have the time to get proper treatment. Doctors have tried to prescribe opioids and even tranquilizers for the pain to help me sleep but I'm terrified, with good cause, of becoming addicted. I took a run of percocet in high school for my wisdom teeth and enjoyed them too much to ever have that be a regular part of my lif…

I used to have chronic neck pain, and didn't think that it would ever get better. I was eventually convinced to go to physical therapy at a location near my job. It took several months of me going in for half an hour, twice a week, but my pain started to subside. I now only occasionally get pain when I have very poor posture. Give PT a try. It really doesn't take very long and is very effective.

^This!!! So much this. I had a similar issue years ago, and beyond the help of the therapy itself, she also pointed out all of things I was doing day in, day out, that caused my problem in the first place. She taught me to moderate the intensity of my typing, to take breaks, good posture, stretches, all of that.

It's valuable stuff to learn, plus the therapy itself.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by soundwave106 »

awestroke wrote: post #129
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see people say this, and I disagree. And just for clarity, I'm definitely pro-drug legalisation - even of drugs I never want to be in the same room with. I think drug companies are precisely the sort of place to produce medical-grade LSD (and other therapudic "recreational" drugs) that has predictable dosages. Same goes for cannabinoids in pill form - especially the sorts meant for folks that would rather skip the…

LSD cannot be patented, so Big Pharma cannot make money on it - they'd have to compete on price, which would lead to really slim margins. If LSD is kept illegal, they can sell patented "alternatives" at huge margins.

Sandoz patented LSD in 1948, actually. The way patent laws work these days, if there is any pharmaceutical value in LSD, I bet current owner Novartis would fire up their team of lawyers. :/

The medical industry considers the hallucinations recreational LSD users enjoy a nasty side effect. If this wasn't the case, such would possibly be on the market specific known treatments that LSD / psilocybin might help (eg cluster headaches), versus the industry trying to look at similar non-hallucinogenic compounds (eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-Bromo-LSD) or other completely different alternatives.

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