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Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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My mom has benefited from cannabis to help treat chrohns. While nothing has cured, it's been the most effective with no known side effects. Plus it's cheaper than the meds she has been buying for years (spending out of pocket upwards $10k a year with $500 a pill just for flare ups even with medicare in Canada). She has been in hell for 30 years. They wanted to remove her small intestine ~20 years ago and she didn't w…

According to work done by the Johns Hopkins group, smoking or vaporising can provide pretty quick relief, whereas ingestion is good for chronic pain. https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/what-do-we-know-abou...

Yea maybe I haven't had strong enough.

I tried to treat a toothache and another time arm injury by vaping CBD oil at 25mg/ml. 5 ml later(tank capacity), it didn't do too much relief.

I think if I had strong enough (500mg-1000mg CBD) I think it could potentially provide larger relief.

I think my tolerance has been raised due to years of recreational use vs therapeutic/real medicine use

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Naive questions about this:

1. How many hours does MMJ control pain?

2. Does taking MMJ for chronic pain make you high all the time?

3. In California, most MMJ dispensaries are oriented towards recreational users. How do you go about this from a legitimately medical path, i.e. finding a doctor able and willing to provide sound medical advice, instead of just collecting the fee for a green card?

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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post #9

The timing of this is interesting. A few days ago, the White House press sec claimed cannabis is a gateway to opioid use: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/2...

Reminds me of when Stephen Harper claimed Marijuana was worse than tobacco and the rather hilarious reaction by Canadians that followed his statement:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stephen-harper-pot-marijuana...

From the comments "hey Steve...smoke a blunt or two and mellow out." is the kind of sentiment that I heard a lot of in Toronto.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Naive questions about this: 1. How many hours does MMJ control pain? 2. Does taking MMJ for chronic pain make you high all the time? 3. In California, most MMJ dispensaries are oriented towards recreational users. How do you go about this from a legitimately medical path, i.e. finding a doctor able and willing to provide sound medical advice, instead of just collecting the fee for a green card?

With having alot of first hand and 2nd hand knowledge, I am very surprised by questions like these that show how much of the knowledge about this wonder drug have been suppressed and or generally just not known.

1)varies on so many factors to get into. -Tolerance,strength,variety,form, and how it's taken. What you eat before consumption can affect.

2)no. Lookup THC vs CBD, for pain relief it's more CBD which doesn't make you high at all. Some studies have shown full spectrum/mix of the 2 in concentrates may provide better results.

3)find a naturopath, or just go in and ask the dispensaries. Many dispensary workers are actually very knowledgeable.

Not sure about Cali, but alot of dispensaries here are very knowledgeable and cater alot to medical use rather than recreational, even though their key market is recreational.

Try finding a local compassion club, healing centers etc for support/seminars or information.

Recent article on CBD: http://hightimes.com/medicinal/cbd-the-cinderella-molecule/

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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I get kidney stones pretty often (6 times in the last 8 years). I vomit from the pain, convulse on the floor, lose all sense of self as I just struggle to survive the sensation. It is intense. Usually I have to go to the emergency room for IV opioids. Then they give you some to take home after you pass the peak of the pain.

Last time it happened to me, I went home at around 6pm after going into the hospital that morning. At 3am, the pain was again intolerable. I had already taken the maximum dosage of the opioids. I knew taking more was dangerous, and was keenly afraid of getting addicted. But the pain was too much, so I went to get the bottle of pills.

As I stood up to go get the pills, it occurred to me that people say weed is good for pain and that I should try it before taking more opioids. I had weed (in cali, have a "medical" card) so I took some out and smoked.

I cannot describe to you how much more effective it was than the opioids. The pain wasn't gone, but it was just an interesting sensation now. Genuinely didn't bother me. I did yoga. I read. I enjoyed the night. And I was flabbergasted that no one I touched in the medical establishment had ever recommended it.

It feels like a genuinely corrupt world where something so clearly damaging to people and society is recommended before something relatively harmless and widely available.

I am still in awe of how effectively it handled my pain.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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For folks looking for more information regarding published studies on the topic, we supply an index of over 800 cannabis studies organized by almost 170 conditions, and summarized with a weighted average by our contributing PhD:

https://www.cannabisreports.com/cannabis-studies

This includes a section for studies on cannabis and opioid addictions.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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In many cases, though, cannabis and CBD oil aren't nearly as effective as opioids for relief from severe pain, right? How often is this a viable alternative for patients? This study only looked at 250 people who already have medical cannabis prescriptions for pain, so this shouldn't be extrapolated too heavily.

I think the authors say that the pain relief itself is only part of it: > Lucas suggests the main reasons for the switch to cannabis from prescribed meds is due to reduced side effects, better symptom management and a feeling that cannabis is safer than prescription drugs. Also, looking at http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/guide/understanding-pai... , it seems like chronic pain doesn't necessarily (?) mean severe…

I don't really have any authority to really add anything but I will say my understanding of chronic is long lasting. Doesn't necessarily have to be severe pain, just long lasting. I have some chronic pains from a bad fall a few years ago. Unfortunately PA is moving like a turtle in it's medical marijuana roll out.

When I think of cannabis, I view it as safer. You don't hear about overdoes like you do with opioids. Add in a few famous celebrity deaths like Prince you quickly get a public image that views opioids with suspicion. In my opinion rightly so. Hopefully medical marijuana can be more accessible to more people sooner.

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