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Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by tmccrmck »

TheGirondin wrote: post #117
rybosome wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has it honestly not occurred to you that they might treat him with disrespect and disdain because he earned it?

Has it honestly not occurred to you that he might treat him with disrespect and disdain because they earned it? Just as one example, CNN was reporting on that fake new about the "golden showers."

But they never presented it as factual. What was "true" was that they reported on a 35 page dossier created by a former British intelligence official.

In fact, they never even released the dossier -- they only reported that the classified documents were presented to Obama and Trump. Your post is some serious disinformation.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by mythrwy »

mythrwy wrote: post #144

Ya, well the press's treatment of Trump has been a bit one sided. And well out of proportion to his actual comments and deeds. You might not like Trump, and you might have good reasons but the above is true all the same. And, he is sitting president of the USA right now, irrespective of how you feel about him, his platforms and his supporters. The amount of vitriol involving Trump is ridiculous. It really is. I'm not…

I'm not complaining about downvotes because I don't care but the downvotes on this post are pretty clear evidence of exactly what I'm talking about.

Nastiness and lack of good manners isn't my preferred response to lack of good manners. Because if it keeps escalating it winds up in a very bad place.

There was a time people were close enough to a natural state they knew this. They bowed. They chose their words carefully and respectfully. They treated others, even strangers, by custom with a measure of consideration. And there likely were good evolutionary reasons for this which we have apparently forgotten. Now we figure with a credit card and a laptop we can do whatever and civilization will protect us. But this is just an artificial (albeit important) construct.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by gizmo686 »

roywiggins wrote: post #166
gizmo686 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, an unbiased observer who just looks at, say, NYT would likely come to the conclusion that one of the following statements must be true: a) President Trump is a pathalogical liar or b) The NYT is a pathological liar when talking about Trump. There is no middle ground where NYT is being fair, and Trump is being reasonable. This means that any reasonable person with a position on this issue must take at l…

It's -possible- this is an intentional strategy: people who want to believe the administration are peeled away from news media that aren't 100% in line with the administration's agenda. If you like Trump and want to believe what he says, reading the NYT has got to be an exercise in frustration. Once all remaining supporters don't watch any media that isn't Trump Approved(TM), they're locked in permanently.

There is another potential strategy: attack the concept of honesty. If we get to a point where a significant portion of the population believes everyone, media and Trump, are lying then Trump has much more reign to do what he wants because any reporting on it will instinctively be branded as a lie. So will Trump's defense, but the net result is still a win over believed reporting on .

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by heygrady »

dragonwriter wrote: post #155
clamprecht wrote: post #11

For anyone who has actually watched these press briefings in their entirety: Does anyone else think these are pretty much the worst way to get to the bottom of issues? Here's how it seems to work: * The press secretary (or President, or whoever) makes a statement * He or she chooses a journalist to ask a question * Journalist asks question * Press secretary answers question in as much or as little detail as he/she wa…

> How does this even help at all? It's basically (when run the traditional way) a means for the press corps to apply pressure, if an issue is either emergent or common, a substantive question is likely to be asked and answered on it, and followup can occur on other forums, which are less public and provide less pressure on their own, but far more fertile when the issued been raised based on the public questions and r…

It's worth reading about why these things exist [1]. The ability to ask questions is powerful whether or not they are answered [2].

[1] https://www.whitehousehistory.org/the-president-the-press-an... [2] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/water...

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by mythrwy »

runesoerensen wrote: post #176
mythrwy wrote: post #144

Ya, well the press's treatment of Trump has been a bit one sided. And well out of proportion to his actual comments and deeds. You might not like Trump, and you might have good reasons but the above is true all the same. And, he is sitting president of the USA right now, irrespective of how you feel about him, his platforms and his supporters. The amount of vitriol involving Trump is ridiculous. It really is. I'm not…

> It's just irrational nastiness Can you point out any significant press coverage of Trump's nastiness that qualifies as "irrational"? If the press reports on Trump's nastiness, does that make the press nasty?

"Can you point out any significant press coverage of Trump's nastiness that qualifies as "irrational"?"

Sure but I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by vinhboy »

meentsbk wrote: post #61

I'm finding I'm having a hard time reconciling the current climate - not necessarily at his supporters (or the opposite), but just at how polar opposite everyone seems to be on this. For me, I see these organizations as not treating him poorly, but actually willing to call out things he is not being factual on. But at the same time, maybe I'm being biased against him. I want the discourse, but I'm just struggling to…

> But at the same time, maybe I'm being biased against him.

You're exhibiting the classic -- "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."

But you really need to avoid being paralyzed by indecisiveness.

There are mountains of evidence that Trump and his cronies lie all the time. There are videos of them saying contradicting things -- straight from the horses mouth as the saying goes. No need to `struggle`.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by a3n »

mythrwy wrote: post #144

Ya, well the press's treatment of Trump has been a bit one sided. And well out of proportion to his actual comments and deeds. You might not like Trump, and you might have good reasons but the above is true all the same. And, he is sitting president of the USA right now, irrespective of how you feel about him, his platforms and his supporters. The amount of vitriol involving Trump is ridiculous. It really is. I'm not…

If you don't want ludicrous news reports, don't do ludicrous things. The press is going to report what happens and what's said, colored by each outlet's direction and strength of bias. But if there's something to report, it's going to be reported.

Similar for leaks, which are always going to happen. You can't stop leaks, but you can prevent bad things from leaking by not doing bad things.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by delinka »

dbcurtis wrote: post #147
dukeluke wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In our FPTP voting system, a two party system naturally emerges. And during times of hardship, instead of a middle-ground being found like would occur in a multiparty system, things become even more partisan and contentious. It's a fundamental facet of our political system, and won't ever change by using the political system. The political momentum needed is just too great.

Exactly. I heard it well put the other day: "Trump didn't cause the current political divisiveness. The current political devisions caused Trump."

I have a feeling this is How Things Work in societies. Similar theories exist about time traveling to the past to kill Hitler: the nationalist population of Germany will then elect the same personality in a different person and we'll still get the same atrocious WWII.

You have to make changes in The Little Guys, The Average People to actually effect change. This is where community comes in: get to know people, hang out with them, openly discuss your opinions on basic rights.

I feel like once in my life I was able to do exactly this, but I don't want to hijack the thread for that story.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by anigbrowl »

the_watcher wrote: post #17
clamprecht wrote: post #11

For anyone who has actually watched these press briefings in their entirety: Does anyone else think these are pretty much the worst way to get to the bottom of issues? Here's how it seems to work: * The press secretary (or President, or whoever) makes a statement * He or she chooses a journalist to ask a question * Journalist asks question * Press secretary answers question in as much or as little detail as he/she wa…

You're right, the press briefings are absolutely useless. That said, the message sent by this is not a good one.

I find them useful and interesting despite their flaws.
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