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Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by Shivetya » Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 8:15 PM UTC

meentsbk wrote: post #61

I'm finding I'm having a hard time reconciling the current climate - not necessarily at his supporters (or the opposite), but just at how polar opposite everyone seems to be on this. For me, I see these organizations as not treating him poorly, but actually willing to call out things he is not being factual on. But at the same time, maybe I'm being biased against him. I want the discourse, but I'm just struggling to…

they chose a side during the election. I have no pity on them but I am not happy with the current Administrations solution to that issue. They should have let them attend and just ignore them. Fortunately there were more than enough agencies left to be representative

These news organizations vacated all responsible journalism for eight years, ignoring for the most part two of their own being chased down by an Administration for asking the wrong questions and setting the IRS after another who dared ask on TV the wrong question. Yet all they did was side with that Administration and for the most part they still do.

Trump for all his wrongs is using the bully pulpit to call them out. That is not standard Washington and this is why the elites and their paid for press are scared. Both parties are afraid that they have someone who won't bend to their will.

Now if he would just get some sense in his head. Damn it is state rights when it comes to bathrooms but not pot? Really?

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by anigbrowl » Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 8:15 PM UTC

clamprecht wrote: post #11

For anyone who has actually watched these press briefings in their entirety: Does anyone else think these are pretty much the worst way to get to the bottom of issues? Here's how it seems to work: * The press secretary (or President, or whoever) makes a statement * He or she chooses a journalist to ask a question * Journalist asks question * Press secretary answers question in as much or as little detail as he/she wa…

That's a reasonable question, but also a distraction from the topic of equal access.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by vacri » Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 8:15 PM UTC

aestetix wrote: post #140

dang wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't do this. It breaks the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13727131 and marked it off-topic.

Duly noted. Is there any way to report vote thrashing, or do you have tools to detect it?

I think the answer is "Just be an adult and move on. It's only one comment".

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by scrollaway » Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 8:15 PM UTC

MrZongle2 wrote: post #162

scrollaway wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is absolutely not the place of the president to "send a message" to the press.

Whose place is it?

The journals' audience and, more generally, the citizens of the country.

A huge pillar of the press in the US is that it keeps the president in check. You can't be the one regulating what keeps you in check. Have you ever heard the phrase "judge, jury and executioner"?

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by paradite » Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 8:15 PM UTC

> Organizations allowed in included Breitbart News, the One America News Network and The Washington Times, all with conservative leanings. Journalists from ABC, CBS, The Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, and Fox News also attended.

I wonder if the message conveyed would be different if we rephrase it another way:

> Organizations allowed in included ABC, CBS, The Wall Street Journal, and Bloomberg. Journalists from Breitbart News, the One America News Network, The Washington Times and Fox News, all with conservative leanings, also attended.

Also, I think NYT is playing with the word "allow" here. By saying "Organizations allowed in included X, Y, Z. ... A, B, C also attended", this gives the false impression that A, B, C are somewhat "not allowed" by separating the list into "allowed" and "also attended". This is obviously false since they attended it.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by runesoerensen » Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 8:15 PM UTC

mythrwy wrote: post #144

Ya, well the press's treatment of Trump has been a bit one sided. And well out of proportion to his actual comments and deeds. You might not like Trump, and you might have good reasons but the above is true all the same. And, he is sitting president of the USA right now, irrespective of how you feel about him, his platforms and his supporters. The amount of vitriol involving Trump is ridiculous. It really is. I'm not…

> It's just irrational nastiness

Can you point out any significant press coverage of Trump's nastiness that qualifies as "irrational"?

If the press reports on Trump's nastiness, does that make the press nasty?

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by dgut » Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 8:16 PM UTC

MrZongle2 wrote: post #28

Barring the NYT is a shame. Not sure about Politico. CNN, on the other hand, has become a cesspool compared to its early days of reporting. Edit: Come on, HN. That downvote arrow doesn't mean "I disagree, politically". Let's not look like the Share Blue-infested mess that is /r/politics on Reddit.

I'm sure there are many who agree with your comment, we are simply less common. Too many keep quiet.

In response to both the topic in hand and HN users down-voting w/e they disagree:

"They have shut up all their fools in a house apart, to make sure that they are wise men themselves." - Dostoyevsky

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by slededit » Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 8:16 PM UTC

themgt wrote: post #93

This country appears to be on a very dangerous path. I don't remotely deny Trump and his administration's responsibility and complicity for taking us down this path, but given how widely understood his issues are within mainstream discourse, I wanted to take a step back and critically look at the not-Trump aspects. Firstly, Trump needs to be understood in context as the outsider who none of the establishment took ser…

Have you watched his press conferences and speeches? Just watched the live feed - no commentary?

He really does call the press an enemy of the people. He really does repeat factually incorrect statements over and over even after he was corrected. I've talked to a lot of people who have espoused the "It can't really be this bad - the media must be exaggerating". Trumps own words quickly casts away that delusion. Seriously go watch the live feeds at the next press conference.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by simplemath » Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 8:16 PM UTC

roywiggins wrote: post #166

gizmo686 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, an unbiased observer who just looks at, say, NYT would likely come to the conclusion that one of the following statements must be true: a) President Trump is a pathalogical liar or b) The NYT is a pathological liar when talking about Trump. There is no middle ground where NYT is being fair, and Trump is being reasonable. This means that any reasonable person with a position on this issue must take at l…

It's -possible- this is an intentional strategy: people who want to believe the administration are peeled away from news media that aren't 100% in line with the administration's agenda. If you like Trump and want to believe what he says, reading the NYT has got to be an exercise in frustration. Once all remaining supporters don't watch any media that isn't Trump Approved(TM), they're locked in permanently.

It's the annihilation of truth and its terrifying.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by hwang89 » Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 8:16 PM UTC

Dangeranger wrote: post #126

maxerickson wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on if they start excluding organizations and lining up softballs from cranks.

This is exactly the strategy the WH is starting to employ. Look at Russian tactics against the press in 2006-2007 and you can predict the WH next move. They are stealing from their playbook. Revoke. Replace. Erode.

What is the next move?