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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by alkonaut »

trendia wrote: post #21
koonsolo wrote: post #12

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Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

Well according to this article, crime across the whole country has gone down, so who really cares if there are pockets where the violence is so bad that police can't do their job? I mean, who cares if there are 30 gernade attacks in Malmo [0] as long as overall deaths in Stockholm habe gone down by more than 30? [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_S...

Exactly. We worry about those pockets of crime/violence and the media attention is disproportionate here too. The international attention is just mind blowing seeing as nothing has changed over the last decade (these areas were shit 10 years ago too!). But all this doesn't mean the country suddenly is on the verge of collapse.

Yes it's true: there are pockets where Ambulances are stoned by local kids and need police escorts. That's not a vicious rumor. It's a tiny area (few blocks) of the country though. I'm sure many countries have terrible areas.

How our areas somehow turned on ambulance and firefighters is a complete mystery to me though.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by alkonaut »

anjc wrote: post #154
paublyrne wrote: post #46

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There are areas in Dublin where children and teenagers throw stones at fire brigades and they are certainly not immigrants. These are old white Irish areas. What sets them apart is high levels of unemployment, poverty and under employment.

What sets the no-go zones apart in places like Sweden is that, not only are they filled with poor unemployed people, but those people have a different ideology and come from third world countries, and therefore the crimes perpetrated are different from that of the indigenous population. There isn't even a street in Dublin in which that's the case. There are certainly places in Dublin where you might be more likely to…

So the latter is much worse?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by soundwave106 »

epsylon wrote: post #130
demonshalo wrote: post #25

I would personally recommend you follow https://twitter.com/ArgBlatteTalar . He breaks down all the hypocrisy regarding this particular topic in his videos on YouTube. Sources for his video material can be found in the description box. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1_viPSD-bY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lsoZ0uDOGY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Qwr6KvmUc

Yep, that guy totally seems like a reasonable and unbiased POV: https://twitter.com/ArgBlatteTalar/status/831600862866898954

You are getting downvotes for this?

Most of the tweets I see from this account are either rabble-rousing ("And that's because migrants are nothing but voter cattle for the Left"; "Share this video and help me reveal the immense hipocrisy of our "feminist" Swedish government.") or complaints about media in general (from the Trump style media conspiracy angle to thoughts on how Youtube is banning him because he didn't get as many watches as a Tucker Carson video.)

If you share the same world view as the Swedish Democrats, you'll probably agree with this person's viewpoint. If you don't, you probably won't.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by acqq »

sp332 wrote: post #319
acqq wrote: post #245

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> However the majority of Syrian refugees - about 70%[1][2][3] are women and children. However the majority of all 2015 refugees aren't Syrian?

I was pretty sure they were actually. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911 Edit: I misread this chart... a lot. Syrians are the largest group but not the majority. Never mind!

acqq> the majority of all 2015 refugees aren't Syrian

> I was pretty sure they were actually (link to BBC)

Your link has 1.32 million asylum claims, around 360 thousand Syrians, then roughly one fourth are Syrians, three fourths aren't, that is, the majority of all aren't.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by mschuster91 »

imho, there is only one proven-valid way to deal with fascists using propaganda (can we please stop calling it "fake news", thanks?): do it like the dude who punched Spencer. Beat them up until they're too afraid to even stand in their apartment in front of their windows.

Sounds rude, sounds militant, but there is no hope any more in the "civilized way" of countering fascists and their allies with facts, as evidenced by Trump - despite mountains of evidence that whatever he claims or does is bullsh.t, loads of people still believe them.

The fascist resurgence, no matter where - if Europe, the US, or Asia - has to be stopped at all costs if mankind wants to have a future as a liberal, open-minded society. The time for "peace" and "listening to fascists" is over, Trump getting elected proved this.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by thaumasiotes »

otalp wrote: post #151
leereeves wrote: post #50

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> In Germany, refugees are less likely to commit a crime than the average citizen Meanwhile in Sweden: > According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents.

There's a difference between 'people from foreign backgrounds' and refugees. Even in Germany, I wouldn't be surprised if 'people from foreign backgrounds' commit crimes at a higher rate when you don't adjust for socio-economic conditions. However the majority of Syrian refugees - about 70%[1][2][3] are women and children. Again, something that is rarely mentioned in certain parts of the internet. [1]- http://www.poli…

What kind of children? Verified how?

http://www.unz.com/isteve/great-moments-in-real-news-tm-from...

If you incentivize people to say they're "children", and don't bother to verify claims of being a "child", you get a lot of "children", but that statistic won't mean much.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by soundwave106 »

r3bl wrote: post #196
giis wrote: post #144

Wikileaks: Swedish media admits to censoring stories for the last five years on migrant crime https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/688999781193117696?lang...

How many times can this get posted? Do people who post it read the actual translation before sending it further down the rabbit hole? There's a single mention of the word "immigration" in the article. It has absolutely no mentions of "migrant crime", as WikiLeaks claims in its tweet. The only thing that the article says about immigration is that an anonymous journalist "can't be bothered" to talk about sensitive migr…

It's unfortunately been sad watching Wikileaks transform into a pure political outlet...

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by kyleblarson »

piva00 wrote: post #40
koonsolo wrote: post #12

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Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

No, not like that at the fucking all. I live in Stockholm, I just came today to my home from a friend's place that is in one of these pesky little maps marking it as a "no-go zone". Seriously, there's nothing alarming there at all, it's a very normal area a little bit outside the center with more affordable housing (compared to the center of Stockholm but not even near "cheap") and that's about it. I've stayed on tha…

Honest question, not trying to troll. Would you be comfortable walking in those neighborhoods wearing a yamaka or holding hands with / displaying affection to a member of the same sex?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by alkonaut »

ptaipale wrote: post #107
threeseed wrote: post #36

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There are areas like this in most countries. And it's most often linked to poverty, youth unemployment, the stability of the family home and absence of good role models. But instead people like to blame immigrants because it's easier. It's always that faceless person over there who is responsible for your problems.

> There are areas like this in most countries. But for quite many decades, there didn't use to be areas like that in Sweden.

No one is contesting that either. Areas like this become like this because of poverty and unemployment. Sweden has a system of very high entry level wages making the threshold for getting a job very high. If you immigrated from Somalia the chance that you have a job a decade later is around zero. So in a way this comes as an unfortunate result of success rather than failure. We "could afford" having migrants, and we have had the luxury of high entry wages.

The fact that this leads to massive segregation and thus integration problems is the downside we haven't figured out.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by rmc »

interfixus wrote: post #57
rmc wrote: post #28

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> Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? Who reports that people do that? Tabloid newspapers? They've been lying about that for decades. After the 1989 Hillsbourogh disaster (where people died due to health & safety issues, and negligence from the police), tabloid newspaper The Sun wrote a full page headline accusing Liverpool…

In your Twitter account, you seem ready enough to admit the reality of political violence, and even to commend it. (Retweet: "If US folks wanna see more nazi punching, just look at the attempted Pegida rally last year in Dublin. alt-hugs given freely")

So obviously you're gonna try to follow me down all over the internet. Wonderful. Stay on point./
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