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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by mstade »

sheraz wrote: post #59
piva00 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not like that at the fucking all. I live in Stockholm, I just came today to my home from a friend's place that is in one of these pesky little maps marking it as a "no-go zone". Seriously, there's nothing alarming there at all, it's a very normal area a little bit outside the center with more affordable housing (compared to the center of Stockholm but not even near "cheap") and that's about it. I've stayed on tha…

Which t-bana stop or neighborhood?

My guess since they mentioned the Kista area: Husby, Rinkeby or Akalla. Maybe Hallonbergen. I lived in Solna for a while, studying at KTH in Kista. I've spent a fair bit of time in and around these areas and I can't say I've ever felt unsafe in them. Whenever people talk about these areas as no-go zones or areas where if you enter you'll probably be mugged, stabbed, shot, raped, or worse, I wonder if they've ever been there at all.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by vixen99 »

redsummer wrote: post #61

It's not true that Muslim immigrants are not integrating with modern technologically-literate Sweden. Many are making increasingly sophisticated use of social media: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/sweden-facebook-gang...

This is an example of 'sophistication' ?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by gaff33 »

polack wrote: post #70
otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago). Why are you so afraid to see that immigrants are over represented in this category of crimes?

They talk about it in the article

> People from foreign backgrounds are suspected of crimes more often than people from a Swedish background [...] In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden.

So it seems that whilst immigrants are suspected of more crimes than average, they commit the same amount of crime as poor deprived members of indigenous populations.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by akerro »

literallycancer wrote: post #102
akerro wrote: post #39

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VICE made a pretty good material about no-go zones in Sweden and anti-racist groups that demolish your car, house, get you fired from job for liking wrong thing on Facebook.

How about linking the material? >and anti-racist groups that demolish your car, house, get you fired from job for liking wrong thing on Facebook. Yea. It's your prerogative to hold controversial opinions. But you certainly don't have any right to be publicly racist and expect no retaliation. To clarify, I meant legal retaliation using legal means like firing the racist person from their job. Burning down their car is…

> How about linking the material?

First result from 4sec googling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1MYMVfyHi0

>But you certainly don't have any right to be publicly racist and expect no retaliation.

Seriously, demolishing someone's car/house is not worth mentioning in your comment, but have no right to be publicly racist? I also didn't say it was racist, where did you take this from?

Also, what's your address because I disagree and would like to put an axe on your front door.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by k-mcgrady »

leereeves wrote: post #73
sgift wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First quote: "commit" vs Second quote: "suspected of crimes" Two completely different things.

"Commit" should be clarified. We don't know who actually committed a crime. That should probably be either "arrested for" or "convicted of". "Suspected of" probably means "arrested for", but there too, the author has chosen a word that's unclear.

I would read that completely differently. The fact that 2.5x more immigrants are 'suspected' reads as a comment on racial profiling. Unless the author clarifies it's hard to read anything into the Sweden stat.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by id122015 »

polack wrote: post #70
otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago). Why are you so afraid to see that immigrants are over represented in this category of crimes?

And regional stats should not be diluted by national stats. I want to know if crime increased in Stockholm?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by theshrike79 »

unwind wrote: post #14
trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

Yeah, I think the wording is unfortunate. It's not the police who are labelling (or, more importantly, treating) these zones as "no go", that label has been applied by other parties, such as tabloid press. Quite happy to see official sources at least trying to put the foot down regarding all this weirdness (I am Swedish).

Well here's the police speaking about the areas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24PCOMi3QAQ&feature=youtu.be...

They're not exactly no-go, more like "no-go without bulletproof vest, riot gear and a big set of cojones"

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

It's strangely worded because "no-go area" is a dog-whistle that means a lot more to certain groups than others.

There's a whole bunch of people who think Muslims are secretly taking over western nations, and being aided by Jews. As part of that they believe they are literally setting up whole cities under Islamic law.

This is why Obama not being born in Kenya can seem like political trivia to one person, but evidence of a wide ranging conspiracy to another.

"Sharia" and "Muslim brotherhood" are a couple of other terms that have resonances you're probably not aware of amongst the "counter-jihadi" movement.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by rullelito »

rmc wrote: post #28
koonsolo wrote: post #12

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Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

> Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? Who reports that people do that? Tabloid newspapers? They've been lying about that for decades. After the 1989 Hillsbourogh disaster (where people died due to health & safety issues, and negligence from the police), tabloid newspaper The Sun wrote a full page headline accusing Liverpool…

It's well documented in Sweden.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by leereeves »

sgift wrote: post #92
leereeves wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Commit" should be clarified. We don't know who actually committed a crime. That should probably be either "arrested for" or "convicted of". "Suspected of" probably means "arrested for", but there too, the author has chosen a word that's unclear.

Fair remark, so let's clarify what I understand: commit: Convicted of suspected of: Not convicted These are as far as I (and the law) are concerned the only two things that matter. If you've been convicted you are guilty, if not you are not. If you're guilty we can say you've committed a crime, if not not.

Actually looking at the source of that remark (highlighted intro to an article on thelocal.de), it's not supported by the rest of the article:

> The documents note that while the number of refugees in the country has risen sharply throughout 2015, the crime rate has not gone up correspondingly, but has "merely risen steadily".

Of course it would not rise sharply even if refugees do commit more crimes. Refugees are a small portion of the population and will only have a small effect on overall crime rates.

> Interior Minsiter Thomas de Maizière responded to the news by saying: "The current trend shows that refugees are just as unlikely to commit crimes as comparable groups among the current population. The majority of them don't commit crimes, they are seeking protection and and peace in Germany."

Note: "just as" and "comparable groups", rather than the whole population.

> The rate of crime in refugee reception centres has gone up most quickly.

It sounds like thelocal.de took some liberties.

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