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Nonsense. Growth may slow down, but why in the world would you expect numbers to drop? Do you consider that internal combustion stuff to somehow have advantages over contemporary technologies?
ICE vehicles are still considerably cheaper compared to EV. Show me a 10,000-15,000 euro electric hatchback that I'd be able to drive for 10+ years without having to purchase expensive batteries every 4-5 years and I'd buy it.
Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
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Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can drive a German-registered car as a tourist who isn't resident in Denmark, but if you move to Denmark and become a resident (or already were resident), you must register the car in Denmark within 30 days of bringing it into the country [1]. But yes, some amount of this happens. The easiest case to get away with it is probably if you are actually from another EU country, and just keep it registered in your home…
You can't drive a foreign car if you are a permanent resident in Denmark, I think. People in my workplace used to try what you suggest, but it doesn't work. If police stops you and they discover you are in fact living in Denmark you will get an enormous fine. Leasing is usually a better deal in this case. You can get a small car for around 1500 kr / month.
I did the same for about 3 years in UK, and it was fine,even the local police and DVLA confirmed that I'm not braking any laws doing it, even though the law is structured in the same way - if you are a permanent resident you can't drive a foreign vehicle in the UK. Except if you work for a foreign company that gave you a company vehicle to use then yes,you can, and there doesn't seem to be any restriction on it.
Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
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This trope of having to replace EV batteries every 5 years is so prevalent, and so wrong, that I'm beginning to be suspicious as to its use.
It happens in laptops. Why should cars be any different?
If the battery is only charged to say 80%, and only discharged to say 30%, instead of doing full charges and discharges, it'll last longer. EV manufacturers know this trick and stop charging at something like 80%, while telling the user it's fully charged.
See for instance this article: https://cleantechnica.com/2016/05/31/battery-lifetime-long-c...
Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
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I bought a used Nissan Leaf last month. No way I am EVER buying another non-electric car. It's quiet. It's got surprising torque for an economy car. It's got a lot of room for a compact car. I'm 6'5" and gave plenty of head room, legroom, and vertical field of view. Have not been to a gas station in 5 weeks.
Most modern compact cars get 1000 km (or even more) on a single tank, so if you don't drive all that much, you don't need to visit gas stations more often than it's just wise to, to check tyre pressures and clean the gunk of your wind shield (this time of the year is pretty bad when it comes to mud flying on the streets). The difference is, a compact traditional car sells for 15 k€ new, while Leaf goes for 40 k€. Eve…
Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is repeated around the world. Incentives are designed under the assumption that certain vehicle types need a leg up. Then car companies build cars to that specification, with an associated cost, and sell them to those who can afford. So the hybrid ferrari gets a break, but the non-hybrid but nevertheless more fuel efficient honda civic doesn't. Parking for electric vehicles. Bus lane access for hybrids. hov lane…
Yep, better not do anything. Right? Or... you close loopholes as they appear. Which happens in countries with a functional political system, unlike the US.
Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
It happens in laptops. Why should cars be any different?
Because electric cars don't actually use 100% of the battery. If the battery is only charged to say 80%, and only discharged to say 30%, instead of doing full charges and discharges, it'll last longer. EV manufacturers know this trick and stop charging at something like 80%, while telling the user it's fully charged. See for instance this article: https://cleantechnica.com/2016/05/31/battery-lifetime-long-c...
Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
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How is this possible? How can anyone afford a car under such conditions? I believe you, I'm not saying you're making it up, but it's inconceivable. So a $20k car is $45k? What the #(%^@! ???
They can't. The point is that you shouldn't have a car unless you absolutely need one(most people don't) and then when you do,you should buy a second hand car, that's far more ecological than production of a new vehicle. I mean, I personally disagree with this approach as I love driving and buy new cars, but I can see and understand why they do it that way. Denmark has extremely well developed public transport and mo…
Nowadays car ownership is popular enough that I'm not sure you could successfully introduce such a tax if people were not already used to it existing, and used to current new-car prices. When it was introduced, cars were seen as a rarer luxury than they are now, so a luxury tax was not too unpopular, and many people were also swayed by arguments that they had a significant negative social impact, on things like pollution and traffic and injuries, that should be paid for by taxing them [1]. But since it exists, if you cut it, you have to either raise some other tax, or cut some spending program, to account for the revenue; and you probably also have to build more roads and parking to account for the extra cars. That kind of change isn't so popular, and cars (especially new cars) are still culturally seen as not quite a necessity, so keeping the not-that-loved new-car tax remains less bad politically than the alternatives. Though it being lowered from 180% to 150% is a sign that consensus around it is not as strong as it once was, and I wouldn't be surprised to see more incremental cuts in the future.
[1] E.g. one 2009 analysis found that, even accounting for all the taxes, cars still have a 15% negative impact (costing society $1.15 for each $1.00 paid by car owners): http://www.copenhagenize.com/2012/10/danish-180-tax-on-cars-...
Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
Aren't normal luxury cars also crazy expensive in Norway because the state levies additional taxes on them? I read somewhere that a Porsche Cayman, which costs €70k in Belgium, would easily be €175k (converted in its NOK equivalent, of course) in Norway?
Not directly luxury cars, but cars are taxed based on engine volume (and thus fuel consumption) afaik.
Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
#139Norway keeps working so hard at building an eco-friendly image. In reality the oil they pump up from their territory makes them one of the world's most environmentally unfriendly countries (both in absolute numbers and particularly per capita).
1 Qatar 40.4
2 Trinidad and Tobago 34.5
3 Curacao 34.1
4 Kuwait 27.2
5 Bahrain 23.6
6 Sint Maarten 20.8
7 Brunei Darussalam 18.9
8 United Arab Emirates 18.7
9 Luxembourg 18.7
10 Saudi Arabia 17.9
11 United States 16.3
12 Australia 16.3
13 Oman 15.6
14 Gibraltar 15.4
15 Kazakhstan 15.4
16 Estonia 15.1
17 New Caledonia 14.6
18 Mongolia 14.5
19 Canada 13.5
20 Turkmenistan 12.7
21 Russian Federation 12.4
22 Faroe Islands 12.3
23 Korea, Rep. 11.7
24 Norway 11.7
25 Palau 10.6
26 Netherlands 10.1
27 Greenland 10.0
28 Japan 9.7
29 Czech Republic 9.3
30 Singapore 9.3
31 Cayman Islands 9.2
32 Germany 9.2
33 South Africa 8.8
34 Israel 8.8
35 Aruba 8.5
36 Finland 8.5
37 Belgium 8.3
38 Bahamas, The 8.2
39 Libya 8.1
40 Malaysia 8.0
41 Iran, Islamic Rep. 7.9
42 Poland 7.9
43 New Zealand 7.6
44 Ireland 7.6
45 China 7.5
46 Austria 7.3
47 Seychelles 7.1
48 United Kingdom 7.1
49 Slovenia 7.0
50 Equatorial Guinea 6.7
51 Denmark 6.7
Total absolute emissions puts Norway at 52.Carbon intensity [2] for 2011 was the third lowest in Europe among measured countries.
[1] http://databank.worldbank.org/data/reports.aspx?source=2&ser...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_in...
Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because electric cars don't actually use 100% of the battery. If the battery is only charged to say 80%, and only discharged to say 30%, instead of doing full charges and discharges, it'll last longer. EV manufacturers know this trick and stop charging at something like 80%, while telling the user it's fully charged. See for instance this article: https://cleantechnica.com/2016/05/31/battery-lifetime-long-c...
Why can't that be an option on laptops? I'd take that trade off.