Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

Post by lobster_johnson » Sun, Feb 19, 2017, 10:48 PM UTC

digi_owl wrote: post #3

Expect the numbers to drop right back down again in a few years. A major reason for people owning a EV, a law that was introduced back when Thinks were the big deal EV to have (yeah, right) that allowed EVs to use the bus lanes and not pay a toll, have been repealed. Note that it was only when Tesla made the EV comparable to a sportscar that it picked up in Norway. And that was because now the rich of the nation coul…

Post by Decade » Sun, Feb 19, 2017, 10:57 PM UTC

zdragnar wrote: post #65

vertex-four wrote: post #49

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I have a suspicion the US is way too far gone to try that - the adversarial model (the societal idea of "people vs the Government", rather than the Government being a representative of the people) is not going away any time soon.

It's easy to see government as representative of the people when you live in a small country, or if you're thinking about your local government. When a government has 300 million+ people to represent, it needs to have very limited responsibilities and powers, because the common interests of so many people are very limited. That is (cargo culting political attitudes aside) largely why the American relationship with th…

Post by cowardlydragon » Sun, Feb 19, 2017, 11:02 PM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #79

digi_owl wrote: post #3

Expect the numbers to drop right back down again in a few years. A major reason for people owning a EV, a law that was introduced back when Thinks were the big deal EV to have (yeah, right) that allowed EVs to use the bus lanes and not pay a toll, have been repealed. Note that it was only when Tesla made the EV comparable to a sportscar that it picked up in Norway. And that was because now the rich of the nation coul…

This is repeated around the world. Incentives are designed under the assumption that certain vehicle types need a leg up. Then car companies build cars to that specification, with an associated cost, and sell them to those who can afford. So the hybrid ferrari gets a break, but the non-hybrid but nevertheless more fuel efficient honda civic doesn't. Parking for electric vehicles. Bus lane access for hybrids. hov lane…

Post by mmel » Sun, Feb 19, 2017, 11:03 PM UTC

dingaling wrote: post #101

maxsilver wrote: post #51

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A Used Renault Zoe can be bought for well under 10k EUR. In five years, replace the battery for an extra ~5K EUR (you probably won't need to, my EV battery is 4+ years old with 50k miles on it and still works great, but we'll include it in the cost just to calm your fears) Even including a brand new battery, total cost is still well below your 15K EUR max budget, using real-world numbers you can actually purchase wit…

> A Used Renault Zoe can be bought for well under 10k EUR. Bear in mind that with many examples of Renault and Nissan EVs, you also have to pay a mandatory monthly battery leasing fee - even as the second or subsequent owner. So the headline purchase cost is only part of the price. There are some Zoes, and a larger proportion of Leafs, in which the battery is owned outright but one has to check before purchasing.

Post by dragonwriter » Sun, Feb 19, 2017, 11:03 PM UTC

cowardlydragon wrote: post #124

paganel wrote: post #21

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ICE vehicles are still considerably cheaper compared to EV. Show me a 10,000-15,000 euro electric hatchback that I'd be able to drive for 10+ years without having to purchase expensive batteries every 4-5 years and I'd buy it.

... without carbon taxes. Seriously people, everyone driving ICEs is using a massive subsidy loophole with respect to carbon emissions.