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Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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Post by monkmartinez »

zzleeper wrote: post #110
Gustomaximus wrote: post #77

From the article: "It needs to move toward more military integration, which means streamlining procurement. European armies use too many different weapons systems: seventeen main battle tank families compared with just one for the U.S.; 20 types of fighter planes compared with just six; and 13 kinds of air-to-air missiles compared with three." While I dont doubt there are efficiencies to be had, I feel they fail to r…

Wait wait.. Russia plainly invaded two of its neighbors, and annexes part of them. Is that just "behaving badly" in your book?

Don't forget about US proxy invasions and the global drone program... and so on, and so on...

I am not defending the Russians, but at least they have the audacity to be upfront about it.

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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Post by macintux »

yokisan wrote: post #152
zzleeper wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait wait.. Russia plainly invaded two of its neighbors, and annexes part of them. Is that just "behaving badly" in your book?

For the record: Georgia initiated their conflict with Russia.

ish

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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Post by baursak »

rrggrr wrote: post #123
Gustomaximus wrote: post #77

From the article: "It needs to move toward more military integration, which means streamlining procurement. European armies use too many different weapons systems: seventeen main battle tank families compared with just one for the U.S.; 20 types of fighter planes compared with just six; and 13 kinds of air-to-air missiles compared with three." While I dont doubt there are efficiencies to be had, I feel they fail to r…

> Russia has good reason to be worried about their defense. The western powers have been doing most of the invading lately. Show me a recent Western intervention that threatens Russia's legitimate security interests. Syria? Perhaps. Aside from that your assertion is unsupported.

Straight from the horse's mouth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqD8lIdIMRo

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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Post by wavefunction »

monkmartinez wrote: post #161
zzleeper wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait wait.. Russia plainly invaded two of its neighbors, and annexes part of them. Is that just "behaving badly" in your book?

Don't forget about US proxy invasions and the global drone program... and so on, and so on... I am not defending the Russians, but at least they have the audacity to be upfront about it.

You are defending the Russians to a slight extent by bringing up the misdeeds of the US. Two wrongs do not make a right.

American here.

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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Post by rrggrr »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #138
rrggrr wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russia has good reason to be worried about their defense. The western powers have been doing most of the invading lately. Show me a recent Western intervention that threatens Russia's legitimate security interests. Syria? Perhaps. Aside from that your assertion is unsupported.

Disclaimer: Russia is an authoritarian country and not a shining example of freedom. That being said.... If you were Russian and you'd spent the last century watching the West undercut you and try and control you at every step (for valid reasons in a lot of cases), you'd be threatened, too. They went from being a superpower to having 100 million more people than California with the same GDP, while watching their own…

Countries either stand for something or they don't. The countries who give enough lip service, money and legislative attention to egalitarian principles always outperform countries who do not. What does Russia stand for and how has it made the world a better place?

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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Post by FreakyT »

dagenleg wrote: post #112
madgar wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Widely reported by fake news! Any and all media with few exceptions* is the enemy of the United States now, of course they say those things. * InfoWars, RT and Breitbart excluded

Are you rabid?

I suspect the parent comment was meant as sarcasm, but in line with Poe's law, it's unclear without some kind of notation.

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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Post by ericd »

PacketPaul wrote: post #146
rrggrr wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russia has good reason to be worried about their defense. The western powers have been doing most of the invading lately. Show me a recent Western intervention that threatens Russia's legitimate security interests. Syria? Perhaps. Aside from that your assertion is unsupported.

The expansion of NATO deep into former Warsaw Pact countries.

At the request of those countries, no?

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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Post by ptaipale »

tdkl wrote: post #56
grabcocque wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's just imagine that a newly-emboldened Putin decides to annex part of another European country, like he got away with over Ukraine. Let's say some Baltic state, like Estonia. Wouldn't you feel safer knowing that country was under the NATO umbrella?

You might want to stop imagining things and keep up with the reality. Because the reality is that Russia has basically no military stations around the planet in foreign countries and yet is constantly portrayed as aggressor.

Well, the bases aren't actual aggression, you know. They're generally built based on agreements with host countries. Most often the host countries enthusiastically welcome them.

Invading Georgia is aggression. Invading Ukraine is aggression. Sending "little green men" over is. Sending anti-aircraft batteries to shoot down civilian planes over the "Novorossiya" puppet regime's controlled area is.

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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Post by rukittenme »

emodendroket wrote: post #57
wallace_f wrote: post #13

Alternative hypothesis: political populism is rising to popularity levels which endanger the plutocratic and military rulers. Don't think they won't set the stage for future wars just so they can stay in power.

Why would they bother when all of Trump's cabinet is plutocrats and they're pursuing a radical pro-business agenda?

What do you consider a "radical pro-business" agenda to be?
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