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Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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The US is just pouting, and it's shameful. We need adults in the room, being thoughtful, pointing out, for instance, that withdrawing is not a form of strength, and only permits other countries (China) to fill the vacuum. The vote for DT was a nihilistic, anti-establishment moment from a demo that wants change but isn't willing to think about what kind of change.

Nothing has substantively changed yet. The United States has reaffirmed its support for NATO, for its Asian alliances, and it has rhetorically asserted itself with Iran and North Korea. Rumors of grand changes to US foreign policy may be greatly exaggerated. Don't confuse quips and press coverage for action.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really feel safer knowing the US would go to war with a nuclear power over a bunch of Eastern European republics, no.

The safety comes from the idea that they would, which is what keeps the bad thing from happening. If there is any doubt that the US would go to war, that ironically increases the risk that they would. So basically - one says one would definitely go to war. Simply because then you maximize the chance of avoiding it. Donald Trumps administration didn't get the memo I think, when they started being vague on who might be…

Well, that's the theory, yeah.

I think there's been some question about some of the newer NATO members for some time though. http://www.interpretermag.com/americans-are-prepared-to-die-...

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, what should happen so "the threat" is gone?

Russia is a hegemony. China is a hegemony too. Both will always be threats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony And yes, the US is also a threat to Europe and vice versa, except that historically the US culture, business interests and political climate has been aligned with that of Western Europe, hence it makes a lot of sense to have alliances. IMO the threat of these hegemonies is precisely why EU makes a lot of…

I don't think Russia or China fit the traditional label for hegemon. They are regional or great powers that have a lot of influence over certain countries near them, but even that is limited. Russia dominates Belarus but not Poland. China has clout throughout Southeast Asia but SK and Japan are rivals.

The only hegemon is the US like the British Empire before it.

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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Why does NATO still exist? It's existence was supposed to be to counter the Soviet threat. Now the threat is gone and NATO is still around. It shows that the Soviet excuse was just a pretext.

>Now the threat is gone Ukrainians, Georgians, Chechens and many others would disagree.

Georgians? The ones who attacked the russian peace keepers in South Ossetia to ( as said by Saakashvili in person ) humiliate Putin!

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

#105

From the article: "It needs to move toward more military integration, which means streamlining procurement. European armies use too many different weapons systems: seventeen main battle tank families compared with just one for the U.S.; 20 types of fighter planes compared with just six; and 13 kinds of air-to-air missiles compared with three." While I dont doubt there are efficiencies to be had, I feel they fail to r…

The pros and cons of each system? You think the US would only use 3 types if there was any strategic value to more? We have lobbyists and congressmen salivating at the whisper of evidence that more war machines need to be built.

They exist because they are old outdated technology that the host countries feel no pressure to replace since they have to buy their replacements not build them and thr expectation of war has been marginal for a long time.

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After the round of elections in France and Netherlands this spring, and Germany this summer, Europe may or may not start disintegrating, depending on the outcome. Ms. le Pen may not win this time, but she will one day. A correctly timed scandal or major terrorist attack in the second round may sink her opponent. Moscow, London and Washington are hard at work with her, to make this happen. When she, or someone like he…

> what strategic goal the new White House administration intends to achieve by disintegrating the EU

Together the EU is a formidable negotiation partner (GDP equal to the US), while alone each EU state is in a much weaker position, thus giving the US an advantage.

Also Trump has said that he sees the EU and the Euro as a tool created by Germany to give them a competitive advantage. And Trump seems to see Germany is one of the main competitors of the US (and has a massive trade surplus with the US).

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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It's ironic considering it's coming from Bloomberg, which has done nothing but undermined America and been a propaganda mouthpiece for the globalist elite that are trying to establish a neo-feudal world order.

The commoners really don't get that that is the end game of fracturing and breaking apart the civilized world of the middle class with ever more assaults on wages and property and democracy by flooding their societies with foreigners and the uncivilized third world? I know that makes people uncomfortable because it goes against their propaganda indoctrination of peace and love and caring, but reality is that's what's happening, that's what the useful idiots are ushering in, neuo-feudalism where no one group of commoners has a common identity or culture or cause. It is easier to dominate a society that is fractured and identitiless, hence why white and European identities are being fractured and polluted with those of all over the place. There's no need to pollute, aka, diversify, African or Middle eastern societies and cultures, because they are already under various states and conditions of subservience. It's those pesky white people and those 18th century revolutions that need to be brought back under control.

It's quite sad that people don't quite get that and are facilitating their own detriment, let alone even want to contemplate it without resorting to rationalization and delusion.

The naive delusion about facebook and Zuckerberg is only a single little blip in the future that is to come. There will be many more instances of the "mega-wealthy" simply disposing of nuisances and buying lang and taking control and monitoring and regulating information that sets the parameters of reality for the vast majority of people.

We are heading into a world where the fantastic delusion portrayed and pushed through the global neo-feudal lords' propaganda channels will be the reality most think they are living in. Yes. it has a tinge of Matrix to it.

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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After the round of elections in France and Netherlands this spring, and Germany this summer, Europe may or may not start disintegrating, depending on the outcome. Ms. le Pen may not win this time, but she will one day. A correctly timed scandal or major terrorist attack in the second round may sink her opponent. Moscow, London and Washington are hard at work with her, to make this happen. When she, or someone like he…

There is not doubt that in Germany the moderate parties will win again (SPD, CDU/CSU, Green Party, Liberals currently get 75% of the votes; The parties that constitute the current government would get 60%; The party that is currently openly opposed to the EU is at 11%.) [0]. Fortunately, I don't see this changing, even in the far future. The far left and far right can perhaps get up to 20-40% in total in the long run, but they are opposed to each other.

[0] http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

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post #72

After the round of elections in France and Netherlands this spring, and Germany this summer, Europe may or may not start disintegrating, depending on the outcome. Ms. le Pen may not win this time, but she will one day. A correctly timed scandal or major terrorist attack in the second round may sink her opponent. Moscow, London and Washington are hard at work with her, to make this happen. When she, or someone like he…

You seem to be operating under the belief that the disintegration of the EU started three weeks ago or something? It's been an ongoing saga for years. I mean, Brexit predates Trump, and Brexit itself is the result of years of pressures. I can see why you'd be so confused by the "strategy" if you think Trump is causing it, but he's reacting to it. And my assessment of the situation is the other way around; there's not…

> Ms. le Pen may not win this time, but she will one day

There is very little to support this. FN has been around 20% for decades, racking in about the same 5-6M voters at most elections. Structurally, far right in France (as in other countries) splits up as soon as it starts compromising to reach a wider audience. Also structurally, contrary to UK/US, all elections in France have 2 rounds - and Le Pen will never get to win the 2nd one.

Yes, she and Mélenchon are symptoms of anger/apathy. Netherlands and Germany have similar issues. It doesn't mean the extremes are nowhere near winning.

> The EU is falling apart because of issues within the EU

Predictions on how the EU will die started in 1957. The last 10 years have put an impossible amount of stress on it - and here it is, alive, and with increasing voter support.

Re: Why Europe Is Warning of Pax Americana's End

#110

From the article: "It needs to move toward more military integration, which means streamlining procurement. European armies use too many different weapons systems: seventeen main battle tank families compared with just one for the U.S.; 20 types of fighter planes compared with just six; and 13 kinds of air-to-air missiles compared with three." While I dont doubt there are efficiencies to be had, I feel they fail to r…

Wait wait.. Russia plainly invaded two of its neighbors, and annexes part of them. Is that just "behaving badly" in your book?
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