this "news" keeps being reposted every few years, and it hasn't been correct yet.
There's a real chance that it will happen this time as there's no a 'supporting' consultation by Accenture that says going back to Windows would be a good idea (see another sub-thread for the quality of an Accenture consultation). As if my tax money couldn't be spend on something more useful.
Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows
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Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows
#82Does anyone have some examples of the practical problems they experience using Linux, which can't easily be solved in any other way than going to Windows? It just seems odd to me given my good experience switching my fairly computer illiterate parents over to Linux previously. To be fair they presently use Mac, but I found the Linux switch a great advantage initially as I ended up with much less tech support dealing…
What you can read about the topic in Germany is that the switch had a lot of ideology behind it and after more than 13 years people are still unhappy. You have to consider this is an administration of one of the largest cities in Germany with lot's of custom processes and tools. Also workers there vary from their IT background and I guess most are not power users. Their approach was basically eliminate Windows everyw…
"According to Kirschner, Munich's IT problems are not so much down to the use of free software as they are the result of poor management and organizational structure, a view backed up by Accenture's study."
Here is the full study (10MB PDF): https://www.ris-muenchen.de/RII/RII/DOK/SITZUNGSVORLAGE/4277...
Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows
#83Does anyone have some examples of the practical problems they experience using Linux, which can't easily be solved in any other way than going to Windows? It just seems odd to me given my good experience switching my fairly computer illiterate parents over to Linux previously. To be fair they presently use Mac, but I found the Linux switch a great advantage initially as I ended up with much less tech support dealing…
> Does anyone have some examples of the practical problems they experience using Linux, which can't easily be solved in any other way than going to Windows? I worked there. The biggest problems back a few years ago: 1) So-called "Fachverfahren", basically software for stuff like managing drivers' licenses or other bureaucratic procedures, is written and supplied for Windows only. Often enough that meant Munich had to…
As far as I know, your points 1) and 2) are the main issues. Having to work myself with software talking to Windows hardware drivers from MacOS via Parallels, I can understand the problems of this additional complexity.
Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows
#84I was afraid this would happen when I saw they made a custom distro called LiMux. Maybe it was good in the beginning, though I doubt it given the reports I heard, but by now it must be horribly outdated. (Going to the "project site" as linked by wikipedia, I just get a blank page.) Additionally, almost no workers will be using anything other than Windows or OS X at home. Having to find explorer or the "add column" bu…
Maybe some people don't realize, how much they have contributed upstream. For the past couple of years I have worked with them as a volunteer in LibreOffice. They regularly host hackfests for Debian & LibreOffice.
There are certain parts of LibreOffice like the KDE UI backend and mail merge that they practically maintain by themselves. Recently they posted three job openings for full-time LibreOffice developers. They already have several inhouse + contractors (for LibO alone).
Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows
#85They suggest that virtual desktops make the client OS irrelevant. My employer (US government agency) went to completely virtual desktops and I was surprised they stuck with Windows 7 for the client laptops. Seemed a perfect place to put Red Hat or some other Linux. I wondered if Windows is priced so there is no advantage to using anything else, or if even dumb clients still need enough management that they would rath…
Windows is pretty inexpensive, and if you want something supported for more than a year or two, the options do tend to be somewhat costly. RedHat, for example, is $50/year for the equivalent of Windows Update. There are also a number of other advantages for windows in terms of things like remote management which RedHat doesn't have equivalents for.
Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows
#86Does anyone have some examples of the practical problems they experience using Linux, which can't easily be solved in any other way than going to Windows? It just seems odd to me given my good experience switching my fairly computer illiterate parents over to Linux previously. To be fair they presently use Mac, but I found the Linux switch a great advantage initially as I ended up with much less tech support dealing…
I have an Ubuntu dev box for GPGPU computing, the UI sometimes completely freezes. Maybe it's NVIDIA's drivers. I've also noticed that some software that has automatic updates doesn't automatically update by default (Chrome? Firefox? I can't remember right now). In 2014, dual monitors didn't work by default and I had to find some command to put in my startup scripts. Maybe this is better now, but that wasn't that lon…
Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows
#87Hm.. "At the time the report was released, the FSFE questioned why Accenture was commissioned to co-author a report assessing the use of Microsoft software, when the consultancy runs a joint venture with Microsoft called Avanade, which helps businesses implement Microsoft technologies. For its part, Accenture said it has an "independent view of the technology landscape". "At the time Munich began the move to LiMux in…
It almost sounds like the sort of thing that happens often in the US. I thought the europeans were more resistant to lobbying and other related practices.
Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
It almost sounds like the sort of thing that happens often in the US. I thought the europeans were more resistant to lobbying and other related practices.
No we Europeans are just a bit more discreet when taking bribes but we're as corrupt as the rest of the world.
Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows
#89I was afraid this would happen when I saw they made a custom distro called LiMux. Maybe it was good in the beginning, though I doubt it given the reports I heard, but by now it must be horribly outdated. (Going to the "project site" as linked by wikipedia, I just get a blank page.) Additionally, almost no workers will be using anything other than Windows or OS X at home. Having to find explorer or the "add column" bu…
I don't know what's up with the project page being gone, but the distro is not outdated. They are working on a version with KDE Plasma 5. Maybe some people don't realize, how much they have contributed upstream. For the past couple of years I have worked with them as a volunteer in LibreOffice. They regularly host hackfests for Debian & LibreOffice. There are certain parts of LibreOffice like the KDE UI backend and m…
Could you ask these people to explain why they think investing in LibreOffice is worth it (and well, just remain silent if their experience is bad :-))
Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
No we Europeans are just a bit more discreet when taking bribes but we're as corrupt as the rest of the world.
It's not a bribe when Microsoft is offering substantial cost reductions and tax revenue.
Attention Governments: Go deploy Linux on your desktops and Microsoft will appear tendering huge sacks of cash. Tell your friends. Don't let them leave with a dime.