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Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows

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Post by digi_owl »

throwawaydbfif wrote: post #17
Merem wrote: post #8

Hm.. "At the time the report was released, the FSFE questioned why Accenture was commissioned to co-author a report assessing the use of Microsoft software, when the consultancy runs a joint venture with Microsoft called Avanade, which helps businesses implement Microsoft technologies. For its part, Accenture said it has an "independent view of the technology landscape". "At the time Munich began the move to LiMux in…

Lol. Microsoft is utterly terrified of Linux making the jump from servers to the workplace. It's arguably a much bigger threat than home users switching since businesses could switch many thousands of machines at once

For MS, home users have been a "total cost of ownership" element in their b2b sales pitch. With home users familiar with basic MS software usage from home, MS can argue that businesses do not have to sped as much on training new employees if said businesses use MS products.

Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows

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Post by ramy_d »

rdtsc wrote: post #23
jstewartmobile wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've moved places from 0% Linux to around 70% Linux, but the obstacles on the road to 100% in non-tech companies are tough: - Office VBA: OpenOffice is good enough for people who just make docs and spreadsheets, but some of the more savvy folk (usually in finance and engineering) use MS Office VBA as a development platform. OpenOffice just doesn't cut it for them. - Old stuff: Critical sensors, HVAC systems, fuel man…

> Critical sensors, HVAC systems, fuel management systems, etc. that have proprietary windows-only clients. Some work well enough in Wine, others don't. No joke. Around mid 2000's worked at a scientific lab part time. We still had Windows 3.1 machines in there because measurement equipment (sensors) had older DOS based drivers. So would run the experiments then had to use floppies to shuffle results around.

wow, is emulation not an option at that stage?

Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows

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Post by rdtsc »

ramy_d wrote: post #32
rdtsc wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Critical sensors, HVAC systems, fuel management systems, etc. that have proprietary windows-only clients. Some work well enough in Wine, others don't. No joke. Around mid 2000's worked at a scientific lab part time. We still had Windows 3.1 machines in there because measurement equipment (sensors) had older DOS based drivers. So would run the experiments then had to use floppies to shuffle results around.

wow, is emulation not an option at that stage?

It talked to real hardware so it wasn't. There was also an effect of professors doing the same thing for many, many years and after a while they simply stop following the latest and most current things in technology.

Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows

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Post by deadlyllama »

barrkel wrote: post #24
jernfrost wrote: post #16

Does anyone have some examples of the practical problems they experience using Linux, which can't easily be solved in any other way than going to Windows? It just seems odd to me given my good experience switching my fairly computer illiterate parents over to Linux previously. To be fair they presently use Mac, but I found the Linux switch a great advantage initially as I ended up with much less tech support dealing…

I have never had a good experience docking Linux laptops to a dock with multiple monitors attached. The behaviour changes from only lighting up one monitor to hard lockups on docking or suspending or something else, depending on kernel version and whim. Randomly the keyboard attached to the dock doesn't initialize and I need to unplug and replug. Unreliable docking is IMO an excellent reason not to use Linux on lapto…

I've had absolutely no trouble with my HP Elitebook (a few years old) and it's dock. I can even run two external displays and the internal one simultaneously.

Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows

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Post by dopeboy »

lallysingh wrote: post #29
barrkel wrote: post #24

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I have never had a good experience docking Linux laptops to a dock with multiple monitors attached. The behaviour changes from only lighting up one monitor to hard lockups on docking or suspending or something else, depending on kernel version and whim. Randomly the keyboard attached to the dock doesn't initialize and I need to unplug and replug. Unreliable docking is IMO an excellent reason not to use Linux on lapto…

ThinkPads too?

Thinkpad x250 user here. When I dock with one monitor, my screen will occasionally freeze forcing me to reboot.

Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows

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Post by noobermin »

Merem wrote: post #8

Hm.. "At the time the report was released, the FSFE questioned why Accenture was commissioned to co-author a report assessing the use of Microsoft software, when the consultancy runs a joint venture with Microsoft called Avanade, which helps businesses implement Microsoft technologies. For its part, Accenture said it has an "independent view of the technology landscape". "At the time Munich began the move to LiMux in…

It almost sounds like the sort of thing that happens often in the US. I thought the europeans were more resistant to lobbying and other related practices.

Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows

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Post by srazzaque »

dopeboy wrote: post #36
lallysingh wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ThinkPads too?

Thinkpad x250 user here. When I dock with one monitor, my screen will occasionally freeze forcing me to reboot.

What OS are you using? I'm on an x260, I had issues on Ubuntu 14 and 16, but since moving to Fedora Workstation 25 I've had an extremely pleasant experience from a hardware/docking point of view.

Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows

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Post by arca_vorago »

jernfrost wrote: post #16

Does anyone have some examples of the practical problems they experience using Linux, which can't easily be solved in any other way than going to Windows? It just seems odd to me given my good experience switching my fairly computer illiterate parents over to Linux previously. To be fair they presently use Mac, but I found the Linux switch a great advantage initially as I ended up with much less tech support dealing…

Honestly as a sysadmin who has been trying to push FOSS in the workplace, I can say the number one barrier is simply lack of neuralplasticity in older people and an unwillingness to learn new things. Combined with a lack of backing from management, it's a recipe for an overworked IT team that is probably already getting crapped on politcally and budgetarily, which is what I suspect has happened in Munich. While I think in most cases technically Linux can meet the needs of the workplace, it's the cultural grip of Windows that is the most difficult to break.

Re: Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and return to Windows

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Post by karlmdavis »

dopeboy wrote: post #36
lallysingh wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ThinkPads too?

Thinkpad x250 user here. When I dock with one monitor, my screen will occasionally freeze forcing me to reboot.

I used to have this problem a TON, and it drove me absolutely batty.

One thing I've found that's drastically cut down on the frequency (possibly eliminated it? not sure) is this: Always wait ten seconds between display state changes. Waking the computer up from sleep? Wait ten seconds before you dock it or connect an external monitor. Undocking it? Wait ten seconds before putting it to sleep.

Also: never make more than one state change at a time. For example, don't put the computer to sleep while docked, then undock it. Undock it first, wait ten seconds, then put it to sleep.

YMMV, but like I said: I think this has eliminated this problem for me. I've been using this process for some months now, and I'm doing much better at the uptime game (28 days since my last restart, right now).

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