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FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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Post by griffinmmahon »

thatcat wrote: post #293
coderdude wrote: post #220

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No, they aren't. That's the point. We're not talking about yelling over someone while they're talking or even using a private publication to present only a set of opinions that fits with some agenda. The specific point being made was about using violence, destruction, hate, and fear as a means to silence people. Calling me names (or other people) doesn't make what you're saying valid. It wasn't an effective tactic fo…

Free speech is not the right to speak freely in any venue for any reason. Your comparison of Berkeley activists tactics to terrorists is weak; like comparing script kiddies to international bank hackers to drum up fear. Is your intent here to justify the existence of this watch list? The first amendment lists a specific purpose for free speech - for the public to redress grievances to the government. Do you not think…

Thank you for fighting the good fight in explaining this concept.

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Post by int_19h »

thehardsphere wrote: post #309
int_19h wrote: post #242

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The potential for abuse is the same, yes. The way this is likely to actually be abused is a whole different ballpark.

How? The same people are still running the FBI who were running it before the election.

Different people are giving orders to people who are running the FBI.

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Post by dang »

contergan wrote: post #285

I just learned that one of the speakers at that woman's march (which was more of a pro choice march) once kidnapped and tortured a gay man to death, stating "he was a faggot anyway" afterwards. How do you feel about that?

I don't know what you're referring to but this genre of weaponized political comment is pure poison on HN. So please don't post like this.

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13570249 and marked it off-topic.

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Post by jMyles »

jrs95 wrote: post #268
dragonwriter wrote: post #71

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> Although to be fair it's probably a much lower proportion of black men now than it was in 1850. Probably not; slaves weren't legally treated as persons and weren't generally incarcerated for crimes as such, and while there was certainly racism against non-slave blacks, I've seen no account of massive disproportionate imprisonment. Now, slavery itself was a bigger problem than the current disproportionate imprisonme…

Sorry I wasn't being very clear, I meant that the proportion of blacks that were slaves was far higher than the proportion that are now imprisoned. Or even that are ever imprisoned. Really I think trying to paint our present situation as almost as bad as where we were just 150 years ago doesn't really make sense.

> I meant that the proportion of blacks that were slaves was far higher than the proportion that are now imprisoned.

My comment was about black men (ie, adult males) under correctional custody or supervision (ie, probation or parole). I think it's likely that the ratio is close to the 1850 number - by 1850 there were quite a lot of free black men.

But that's not really the issue - I'm more inclined to take issue with

> trying to paint our present situation as almost as bad as where we were just 150 years ago doesn't really make sense

I think the prison system is very, very bad. A horrifically ugly mark on our history. As bad as slavery, and as impactful on black families in many places. Life as a black family in a radically abolitionist state - say, Kansas - was almost surely less disrupted by slavery in 1850 than it is by the prison state today.

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Post by mjolk »

norea-armozel wrote: post #305
mjolk wrote: post #49

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How would you verify that an employee was fired for peaceful protest or that self-reporter even worked for the company? Would you demand that a company admit this was the reason or would you trust the person that created the entry for the employer? How would an employer get itself off this list? How would you avoid libel? How would you verify the identity of the person making the entry and that person is even in the…

Or maybe corporations shouldn't be snooping on employees when they clock out? Wild idea I know.

I'm not sure why you replied to my reply, but the moral "should" isn't really relevant when the database-to-protest-a-database suggestion is a non-starter due to more egregious flaws.

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Post by nommm-nommm »

thehardsphere wrote: post #308
biafra wrote: post #294

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It is none of my employers business whether I was arrested. It might OK, to be informed about convictions for certain crimes for certain jobs. Knowing this absolutely has a chilling effect.

I can think of many cases where it could be your employers business that you were arrested: 1. You're going to miss work because you're in jail. 2. You were arrested for a crime that's related to your work. Like, money laundering or fraud if you work at a bank. Or having sex with a minor if you're a teacher. 3. You work in a field that requires lawful behavior from employees at all times preserve the integrity of the…

Being arrested doesn't mean you are guilty of a crime, that's the issue.

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Post by azemetre »

rdtsc wrote: post #300
TheCoelacanth wrote: post #295

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And yet private prison stocks shot up dramatically when she lost the election. Obviously investors didn't agree that she would be great for them.

Didn't most stocks shoot up? Dow had hit a historic highest point lately also apparently. So one hand we have proven active lobbying, proven "tough on crime" stance and strong support for "three strikes" law, on the other hand, stocks generally shoot up after election. But even looking at stocks, GEO is up a bit higher than what it was last year. CXW is just back to where it was last year this time. Did you see other…

The poster is referring to the direct comments Hillary Clinton made against private prisons during her Presidential election, IIRC it was in August.

When she made these comments, prison stocks fell nearly 40%.

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Post by thehardsphere »

nommm-nommm wrote: post #316
thehardsphere wrote: post #308

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I can think of many cases where it could be your employers business that you were arrested: 1. You're going to miss work because you're in jail. 2. You were arrested for a crime that's related to your work. Like, money laundering or fraud if you work at a bank. Or having sex with a minor if you're a teacher. 3. You work in a field that requires lawful behavior from employees at all times preserve the integrity of the…

Being arrested doesn't mean you are guilty of a crime, that's the issue.

Yes, but your employer still has a PR mess that they have to mop up while you and the criminal justice system figure that out.

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Post by adrienne »

leereeves wrote: post #253
dragonwriter wrote: post #247

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You mean, just like the original list promotes further punishment of people who are victims of baseless arrests that don't even support prosecution much less conviction?

And responding to one potential witchhunt with another helps how?

Corporations aren't people, and boycotts are an entirely cromulent exercise of the rights to free speech and free association.

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Post by adrienne »

drinkjuice wrote: post #291
dang wrote: post #270

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Being uncivil in general and personally abrasive in particular.

Would have saying "fantasizing" instead of "drooling" have been acceptable? Would it have been to suggest that they -- not that person in particular of course, just anyone like them -- should be "kettled and subjugated"? And you really think talking that way about large groups of people in their absence is "civil" (enough), whereas being "abrasive" to such a person is not? When someone in the subway next to you says…

> I still think your idea of civility is basically cannibalism with a fork and a knife.

Thank you.

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