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FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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Post by DictumExNihilo »

dang wrote: post #239
DictumExNihilo wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call your ideological adversaries "fascists" and "brownshirts." Just fine by Dang. So much for "light touches." The mask slips, sir.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13571166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13110004

Because calling people fascists and brownshirts (Nazis) is not inflammatory political rhetoric.

Linking me to some comments that essentially say "your opinions are not valid, stop calling bias on the moderator" is in no way a persuasive argument. That's just getting other people to say the same thing you're saying, and the popularity of a claim does not make it true.

By your own values then, either calling people fascists/brownshirts/nazis is "partisan passion" or it is not. I contend that those are extremely inflammatory words. They are intended to provoke, not debate or inform.

Ask yourself where I attacked anyone for their beliefs. HN is just another site where politics are allowed to be discussed (with a wink and a nudge) as long as they include a technology buzzword, but only if you don't say anything that is wrongthink to those left of center. I've seen you do this precise thing many times over the years and never bothered to create an account here or speak. That creates a chilling effect: only voices who agree with Dang almighty's political views are welcome.

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Post by glial »

CaptSpify wrote: post #243
GavinMcG wrote: post #73

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I think it was pretty obvious that it was an evaluation the commenter was making, not something that came from another source. That makes me wonder whether you were being sincere in your response, and if not, what you thought you were contributing.

I'm contributing skepticism. How many arrests statistically lead to convictions? I suspect it's high, but if it's not, then his statement is untrue. I also don't see how it's obvious that was his intent, as I obviously don't see it as meaning that.

Statistics has nothing to do with it. People should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. I am honestly shocked that this appears to be a controversial assertion.

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Post by drinkjuice »

dang wrote: post #232
drinkjuice wrote: post #157

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You're projecting. When you drool about people who are against fascism being "subjugated", anyone who stands up to you isn't "giving in to fear and hatred", they're showing it the door.

> When you drool This is a violation of HN's rules regardless of how wrong someone else is. Please don't do it again.

Can you explain what "it" exactly is?

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Post by fudgepack991 »

drawkbox wrote: post #28

Protesting peacefully is an American right, this will be a list of real patriots. However, this is a bit scary. Corporations have become the brownshirts and we are inching towards a one-party authoritarian system like China it seems. Unfortunately the divide and conquer strategy of the two party system in the US makes people honor party over country and this is a problem. The only solution is to be more independent.…

Sorry to tell ya but it's all to protect corporations should the people stop believing free market fairy tales and figure out the upper class is their true enemy.

Here's a speech from national security advisory of the united states about his worries about the peoples of the world waking up politically. That's why the spying is pervasive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ZyJw_cHJY

Testing theories of representative government

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/fi...

"Intended as an internal document. Good reading to understand the nature of rich democracies and the fact that the common people are not allowed to play a role."

Crisis of democracy

http://trilateral.org/download/doc/crisis_of_democracy.pdf

http://www.amazon.com/Crisis-Democracy-Governability-Democra...

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Post by jrs95 »

itsjohncena wrote: post #51
jrs95 wrote: post #25

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Although to be fair it's probably a much lower proportion of black men now than it was in 1850. There are certainly still problems, but they aren't nearly as bad as they were just a few decades ago.

I don't know how you're reaching this conclusion from reading that we imprison more black men than ever and that the numbers are even higher than slavery numbers. More reading on the astonishing and completely demoralising statistics on "missing" black men in society: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missin... 13th on Netflix also lays out a persuasive point about free labour in prisons benefitin…

There are about 10x as many African Americans now as there were then, and the vast majority at the time were slaves.

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Post by jrs95 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #71
jrs95 wrote: post #25

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Although to be fair it's probably a much lower proportion of black men now than it was in 1850. There are certainly still problems, but they aren't nearly as bad as they were just a few decades ago.

> Although to be fair it's probably a much lower proportion of black men now than it was in 1850. Probably not; slaves weren't legally treated as persons and weren't generally incarcerated for crimes as such, and while there was certainly racism against non-slave blacks, I've seen no account of massive disproportionate imprisonment. Now, slavery itself was a bigger problem than the current disproportionate imprisonme…

Sorry I wasn't being very clear, I meant that the proportion of blacks that were slaves was far higher than the proportion that are now imprisoned. Or even that are ever imprisoned. Really I think trying to paint our present situation as almost as bad as where we were just 150 years ago doesn't really make sense.

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Post by JohnTHaller »

rdtsc wrote: post #118
JohnTHaller wrote: post #12

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If you get to conflate the handful of anarchists breaking windows and setting fires the night before with the 3m of us who marched peacefully during the Women's March, then we get to conflate all Trump voters with the literal nazis - as in "Sieg Heil", nazi salute, call themselves "nazis" - that voted for him and celebrated his victory. It's only fair. (And, yes, I'm saying that both of these things are a bad idea si…

>> The peaceful gatherings with signs and petitions, or the kind with assaults, battery, looting and vandalism on others for speaking their side? > If you get to conflate the handful of anarchists breaking windows and setting fires the night before with the 3m of us who marched peacefully during the Women's March, then we get to conflate all Trump voters with the literal nazis - as in "Sieg Heil", nazi salute, call t…

Except I didn't say what you're railing against. If you re-read what I posted, I said conflating all Trump voters with the nazis that voted for him. Two separate groups that should not be conflated: the small fraction of nazi Trump voters and the rest of Trump voters. I never once called all Trump voters nazis nor would I or any thinking person.

Yes, nazis did vote for Trump in the form of the American Nazi Party and others... literal "Sieg Heil", white power, "cleanse" others, nazi salute awful types. They were a very small fraction of his supporters. It's just as dumb to conflate those horrible excuses for humanity with the other millions who voted for Trump (and would be horrified by those nazi saluters) as it is to conflate the anarchists breaking windows and setting fires with the other millions who peacefully protested (and are horrified by the anarchists).

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Post by dang »

drinkjuice wrote: post #265
dang wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you drool This is a violation of HN's rules regardless of how wrong someone else is. Please don't do it again.

Can you explain what "it" exactly is?

Being uncivil in general and personally abrasive in particular.
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