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FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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Post by itsjohncena »

jrs95 wrote: post #25
jMyles wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> racism in the United States got fixed Did I miss a memo? There are more black men under state custody or supervision in the United States today for acts that no sensible person regards as criminal (drugs) than were enslaved in 1850.

Although to be fair it's probably a much lower proportion of black men now than it was in 1850. There are certainly still problems, but they aren't nearly as bad as they were just a few decades ago.

I don't know how you're reaching this conclusion from reading that we imprison more black men than ever and that the numbers are even higher than slavery numbers.

More reading on the astonishing and completely demoralising statistics on "missing" black men in society: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missin...

13th on Netflix also lays out a persuasive point about free labour in prisons benefiting from racism in arrests means we literally still have slavery.

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Post by [deleted] »

jMyles wrote: post #21
devoply wrote: post #3

The message here is clear: Don't protest or you might lose your job. I will say it again, despite being down-voted last time, these are chilling effects on activism in the United States. They prevent democracy from happening. This means democracy is broken and needs fixing. Activism is the only way that egregious problems like racism in the United States got fixed, without activism black people would still be under J…

> racism in the United States got fixed Did I miss a memo? There are more black men under state custody or supervision in the United States today for acts that no sensible person regards as criminal (drugs) than were enslaved in 1850.

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Post by mjolk »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #20
analogmemory wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I lose my job for protesting or activism then fuck that employer. There should be a database of companies that fire people for their off hours activism.

it should start with a list of companies that publicly state that their employees are allowed to protest, even if the company disagrees with them.

You're suggesting a left-wing form of McCarthyism. I don't care if my employees/reports protest as long as they do their job and don't attempt political intimidation, but I am not willing to put my company on a list to satisfy a virtue-signaling busybody.

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Post by nickthemagicman »

suprgeek wrote: post #14

Beautiful - Go to protest against Trump (or even to document it [1]) - get arrested and charged with "Rioting", "Disturbing the Peace" or my most favorite "Resisting Arrest[2]" - get an Arrest Record - Get fired immediately thanks to RAP BACK - Charges get dropped. Rinse and repeat. Welcome Absolute Fascism. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/24/journalists-ch... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_con…

Another reason jobs are a legacy system of gaining resources. Drug tests background tests, now this. How easy is it to control people who need a job to survive?

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Post by troncheadle »

leereeves wrote: post #15
JohnTHaller wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you get to conflate the handful of anarchists breaking windows and setting fires the night before with the 3m of us who marched peacefully during the Women's March, then we get to conflate all Trump voters with the literal nazis - as in "Sieg Heil", nazi salute, call themselves "nazis" - that voted for him and celebrated his victory. It's only fair. (And, yes, I'm saying that both of these things are a bad idea si…

Violence wasn't limited to a handful of anarchists during the inauguration. There have been numerous incidents of assault, arson, vandalism, looting, and such during protests for at least a couple years now, starting with BLM protests long before Trump and the election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest Some prominent activists have even defended these acts. For example, Deeray McKesson called In Defense…

Just... so much wrong here. First and foremost, you are still characterizing an entire movement by it's worst actors, so the point of the poster above you stands.

Second -- 'Ferguson' was a community reacting to a state sponsored murder -- not a 'BLM protest'. They weren't out there for BLM, they were out there because Ferguson cops enacted violence on their community.

Finally, calling 'in defense of looting' required reading is not endorsing or defending looting. You aren't a Nazi because you read Mein Kampf. It's an interesting take and I'm sure Deray has a nuanced opinion on the issue -- but nah you're just going to keep mischaracterizing people and movements to fit your world view.

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Post by nickthemagicman »

analogmemory wrote: post #4
devoply wrote: post #3

The message here is clear: Don't protest or you might lose your job. I will say it again, despite being down-voted last time, these are chilling effects on activism in the United States. They prevent democracy from happening. This means democracy is broken and needs fixing. Activism is the only way that egregious problems like racism in the United States got fixed, without activism black people would still be under J…

If I lose my job for protesting or activism then fuck that employer. There should be a database of companies that fire people for their off hours activism.

Ha implying that two or three corporations don't already have majority control over market share in almost all industries.

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Post by Spooky23 »

suprgeek wrote: post #14

Beautiful - Go to protest against Trump (or even to document it [1]) - get arrested and charged with "Rioting", "Disturbing the Peace" or my most favorite "Resisting Arrest[2]" - get an Arrest Record - Get fired immediately thanks to RAP BACK - Charges get dropped. Rinse and repeat. Welcome Absolute Fascism. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/24/journalists-ch... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_con…

This stuff is scary. My union as a .gov employee didn't understand that it was signing up for something even worse than this.

That employer will get an active notification of any arrest (not indictment) for every impacted employee's life, even after separation from service. Worse, the employer can administratively decide that an arrest is of concern and can basically void your appointment to a position.

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Post by itsjohncena »

464192002d7fe1c wrote: post #27
devoply wrote: post #3

The message here is clear: Don't protest or you might lose your job. I will say it again, despite being down-voted last time, these are chilling effects on activism in the United States. They prevent democracy from happening. This means democracy is broken and needs fixing. Activism is the only way that egregious problems like racism in the United States got fixed, without activism black people would still be under J…

I think the message is that violence isn't protest. If you're bashing someone's head in with a pole to prove they are a fascist, you need to take a step back and realize that you're the fascist. [You, too, can be a facist, just down-vote this comment that is purely pointing out that violence is bad!]

Your self-analysis isn't as razor sharp as you may assume of yourself. Take criticism or disagreement with humility and reason rather than digging in deeper that everyone else must be wrong.

From what I can see in this thread, you're probably being downvoted because you've repeatedly been judgmental and stubborn about a subject it appears you know nothing about. It just looks like you're more interested in antagonising than learning. Have you read The New Jim Crow? The MLK Papers? Malcolm X's biography? A Ta-Nehisi Coates book? Be honest with yourself about what you don't know, and use global resources to fix it.

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Post by randywaterhouse »

suprgeek wrote: post #14

Beautiful - Go to protest against Trump (or even to document it [1]) - get arrested and charged with "Rioting", "Disturbing the Peace" or my most favorite "Resisting Arrest[2]" - get an Arrest Record - Get fired immediately thanks to RAP BACK - Charges get dropped. Rinse and repeat. Welcome Absolute Fascism. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/24/journalists-ch... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_con…

We've already lost when an arrest is equivalent to a conviction.

Although, in some ways, we've been here for a while. Maybe less-so for individuals but for corporations, whom the law generally treats with a degree of "individual" rights (IANAL), it's long been that an indictment is worse than a conviction. After an indictment, clients turn away -> revenue flees -> shutters.

What's scary is an indictment is, in theory (under fair application of the principles of law), is more severe than a simple arrest. If we're living in a system (US) where a simple arrest results in a database entry which can result in the end of your productive life, we're living in a... [up to the reader to determine the severity]

Ultimately, the power of gov't to drop charges after such a consequence (firing) is powerful and unfair to the individual. Indeed.

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