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FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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All activism, or just the activism you agree with? Mozilla forced Brendan Eich to resign for his off-hours activism. I assume they would be in the database.

Mozilla forced Brendan Eich out for his failure to deal with a PR crisis facing the organization, which is absolutely one of a CEOs key jobs. The PR crisis was caused by his off-hours activism, but that's only material insofar as its focus on him made it clear that removing him would likely be an effective way to deal with it, and he hadn't found any other.

By firing arrested teachers, schools likewise avoid PR crises. And so on.

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Protesting peacefully is an American right, this will be a list of real patriots. However, this is a bit scary. Corporations have become the brownshirts and we are inching towards a one-party authoritarian system like China it seems. Unfortunately the divide and conquer strategy of the two party system in the US makes people honor party over country and this is a problem. The only solution is to be more independent.…

Protesting peacefully != destroying private property and committing unprovoked acts of violence to innocents There's a word for those that use random violence to effect change in society -- terrorists.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

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The modern prison-industrial complex is reshaping of slavery basically. It needs as input people it can control, force them to work for meager pay, extract maximum profits even from families trying to call them. Lobby for War on Drugs to stay in effect to keep the input to the funnel full. Btw as surprising as it may be to people here, Hillary Clinton was a choice candidate for PIC. They gave her at least $250k in lo…

And yet private prison stocks shot up dramatically when she lost the election. Obviously investors didn't agree that she would be great for them.

Do you have a reason to believe that the relationship here is causal, rather than just correlative?

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What's problematic about the database your parent comment proposed?

How would you verify that an employee was fired for peaceful protest or that self-reporter even worked for the company? Would you demand that a company admit this was the reason or would you trust the person that created the entry for the employer? How would an employer get itself off this list? How would you avoid libel? How would you verify the identity of the person making the entry and that person is even in the…

Or maybe corporations shouldn't be snooping on employees when they clock out? Wild idea I know.

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For the life of me, I can't find any mention of social security, health care, or taxes in GP's comment.

It's right there in paragraph 5: "Be suspicious of all taxation."

Clearly, the statement was in regards to paying less in taxes, which is what was specifically mentioned. Being suspicious of taxation does not translate to exclusively wanting to pay less in taxes.

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What would that accomplish, besides creating a new group to be fingerprinted? This rap back thing is being motivated by the desires of financial trade unions to "self-regulate" to prevent fraud. You don't think techie trade union would turn around and insist on this also to keep the supply of cheap labor low?

Unions aren't usually receptive to the idea of keeping labor costs down.

"To keep the supply of cheap labor low" meant that they would increase labor costs higher than they otherwise would be, yes.

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The list is of people who underwent a pre-employment biometric background check. So, roughly, anybody who works for a bank, is a public school teacher, acquires a security clearance, or is in the military. The level of "real patriotism" on the list is going to roughly correspond with the "real patriotism" of those groups of people. I don't understand why there's so much fascination with the idea that this is some pro…

It is none of my employers business whether I was arrested. It might OK, to be informed about convictions for certain crimes for certain jobs. Knowing this absolutely has a chilling effect.

I can think of many cases where it could be your employers business that you were arrested:

1. You're going to miss work because you're in jail.

2. You were arrested for a crime that's related to your work. Like, money laundering or fraud if you work at a bank. Or having sex with a minor if you're a teacher.

3. You work in a field that requires lawful behavior from employees at all times preserve the integrity of the organization. Like, say, law enforcement.

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The implications with the Trump administration are no different than those under the Obama administration, when all of this expanding actually began accelerating as the NGI system was implemented.

The potential for abuse is the same, yes. The way this is likely to actually be abused is a whole different ballpark.

How? The same people are still running the FBI who were running it before the election.

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I was at that protest in Berkeley and your claims are exaggerated. I've written here extensively on what was objectionable about the speaker's visit there and why I think the protests were justified. You should consider that a supporter of that speaker shot someone at a similar event only days earlier. If you are concerned about violence as you claim then I think rather outranks some broken windows and a burnt-out ge…

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you don't mean to downplay what actually happened, or to imply that two wrongs make a right, or to present your limited experience of the event as evidence that it was hardly worth bringing up in the first place. But at the same time, we both know arguing any other view point isn't going to matter. It is absolutely exhausting trying to have an effective d…

So, out of curiosity: why do you see this as a threat requiring immediate drop-everything intervention, as opposed to other things which -- even if we were to grant every single claim you've made -- still cause more deaths, injuries and property damage or pose greater threat to democratic processes and the rule of law? What causes it to jump immediately to the upper levels of your personal priority list?
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