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FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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Post by dragonwriter »

jrs95 wrote: post #25
jMyles wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> racism in the United States got fixed Did I miss a memo? There are more black men under state custody or supervision in the United States today for acts that no sensible person regards as criminal (drugs) than were enslaved in 1850.

Although to be fair it's probably a much lower proportion of black men now than it was in 1850. There are certainly still problems, but they aren't nearly as bad as they were just a few decades ago.

> Although to be fair it's probably a much lower proportion of black men now than it was in 1850.

Probably not; slaves weren't legally treated as persons and weren't generally incarcerated for crimes as such, and while there was certainly racism against non-slave blacks, I've seen no account of massive disproportionate imprisonment.

Now, slavery itself was a bigger problem than the current disproportionate imprisonment, but also different in kind, not merely degree.

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Post by mjolk »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #62
mjolk wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're suggesting a left-wing form of McCarthyism. I don't care if my employees/reports protest as long as they do their job and don't attempt political intimidation, but I am not willing to put my company on a list to satisfy a virtue-signaling busybody.

Are you kidding? Promoting the recognition of an employee's first amendment rights now falls under "virtue signaling" and "McCarthyism"?

Please re-read the parent comment:

> it should start with a list of companies that publicly state that their employees are allowed to protest, even if the company disagrees with them.

The part that is objectionable is the expectation that my company would need to register on a list stating that I respect the rights of my employees. Doing things within your legal rights is the _default_; I reject the act of playing into someone's political "are you with us?" game.

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Post by GavinMcG »

CaptSpify wrote: post #68
randywaterhouse wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've already lost when an arrest is equivalent to a conviction. Although, in some ways, we've been here for a while. Maybe less-so for individuals but for corporations, whom the law generally treats with a degree of "individual" rights (IANAL), it's long been that an indictment is worse than a conviction. After an indictment, clients turn away -> revenue flees -> shutters. What's scary is an indictment is, in theory…

> We've already lost when an arrest is equivalent to a conviction. source on that?

I think it was pretty obvious that it was an evaluation the commenter was making, not something that came from another source.

That makes me wonder whether you were being sincere in your response, and if not, what you thought you were contributing.

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Post by aswanson »

iamthepieman wrote: post #60

This is why I've always kept up my trade skills and wanted my kids to know a trade they could play without relying on corporate jobs.

Best course of action possible. The entire post-WW2 educational system in the US is geared towards channeling people into feeding the corporate machine, and not towards financial independence and self-sufficiency. That system has been showing its age for a while now and it's past time to prepare.

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Post by leereeves »

drawkbox wrote: post #28

Protesting peacefully is an American right, this will be a list of real patriots. However, this is a bit scary. Corporations have become the brownshirts and we are inching towards a one-party authoritarian system like China it seems. Unfortunately the divide and conquer strategy of the two party system in the US makes people honor party over country and this is a problem. The only solution is to be more independent.…

> this will be a list of real patriots.

Isn't this is a list of all arrests, not merely protesters?

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Post by lettergram »

drawkbox wrote: post #28

Protesting peacefully is an American right, this will be a list of real patriots. However, this is a bit scary. Corporations have become the brownshirts and we are inching towards a one-party authoritarian system like China it seems. Unfortunately the divide and conquer strategy of the two party system in the US makes people honor party over country and this is a problem. The only solution is to be more independent.…

Kinda funny this comes from Thomas Jefferson, as he had a famous feud with John Adams

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Post by r00fus »

duncan-donuts wrote: post #36
dec0dedab0de wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it should start with a list of companies that publicly state that their employees are allowed to protest, even if the company disagrees with them.

It's pretty sad we're talking about companies publicly stating they allow employees to protest. What business is it of the company?

They'd be saying they're not interfering with their employees rights.

I.e. Doing the right thing.

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Post by rdtsc »

> First Amendment rights: filming public officials, attending protests, blocking streets.

Is blocking streets a First Amendment right? I heard protestors blocking an exit to a hospital sometime ago. I would think that puts lives in danger.

Just wonder what does the law state there. Say a patient in an ambulance dies on the way because of a protest blocking the street. Is there a precedent, what happens then?

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