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FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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Re: FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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Post by sidlls »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #37
kiba wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite the troubling implication of such program, I doubt democracy isn't happening. Indeed, people are already barred from work opportunities by the virtue of having any criminal background, including arrest records. This is acknowledged as a growing problem in our society.

> any criminal background, including arrest records Aren't arrest records for dismissed charges sealed? Innocent until proven guilty makes punishing an employee for charges unseemly. Punishing for convictions, however, strikes me as fine.

The purpose of imprisonment is to punish and, ideally, rehabilitate. Why continue the punishment for life after that?

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Post by tomjakubowski »

mjolk wrote: post #53
dec0dedab0de wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it should start with a list of companies that publicly state that their employees are allowed to protest, even if the company disagrees with them.

You're suggesting a left-wing form of McCarthyism. I don't care if my employees/reports protest as long as they do their job and don't attempt political intimidation, but I am not willing to put my company on a list to satisfy a virtue-signaling busybody.

Are you kidding? Promoting the recognition of an employee's first amendment rights now falls under "virtue signaling" and "McCarthyism"?

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Post by yareally »

ubernostrum wrote: post #22
yareally wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you mean the Secret Service started out as the Pinkerton Detective Agency. They became part of the government due in part of protecting the president and investigation into monetary related crime. The FBI came in early 20th century as a need to address more conventional crime that crossed state lines and made it difficult for states to investigate/prosecute (organized crime, kidnapping, bootlegging). While yo…

Neither one is true. The Secret Service was initially chartered solely as an anti-counterfeiting task force. The Pinkertons never became part of the government; they were just a handy private army to be deployed by people who'd obtained the good will of the government.

Mea Culpa. Should have double checked before typing that out :)

Didn't mean to say they were the same thing, just the precursor of the Secret Service and did much of the same work in a contractual role.

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Post by [deleted] »

ubernostrum wrote: post #22
yareally wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you mean the Secret Service started out as the Pinkerton Detective Agency. They became part of the government due in part of protecting the president and investigation into monetary related crime. The FBI came in early 20th century as a need to address more conventional crime that crossed state lines and made it difficult for states to investigate/prosecute (organized crime, kidnapping, bootlegging). While yo…

Neither one is true. The Secret Service was initially chartered solely as an anti-counterfeiting task force. The Pinkertons never became part of the government; they were just a handy private army to be deployed by people who'd obtained the good will of the government.

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Post by dragonwriter »

a3n wrote: post #63
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #33

We need a public watch list of companies who fire, or in any way discipline, employees on this watch list.

How will you know, if it's employment at will?

GP said "on", not "because of", so at-will employment doesn't really make it any more difficult to determine.

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Post by CaptSpify »

randywaterhouse wrote: post #59
suprgeek wrote: post #14

Beautiful - Go to protest against Trump (or even to document it [1]) - get arrested and charged with "Rioting", "Disturbing the Peace" or my most favorite "Resisting Arrest[2]" - get an Arrest Record - Get fired immediately thanks to RAP BACK - Charges get dropped. Rinse and repeat. Welcome Absolute Fascism. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/24/journalists-ch... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_con…

We've already lost when an arrest is equivalent to a conviction. Although, in some ways, we've been here for a while. Maybe less-so for individuals but for corporations, whom the law generally treats with a degree of "individual" rights (IANAL), it's long been that an indictment is worse than a conviction. After an indictment, clients turn away -> revenue flees -> shutters. What's scary is an indictment is, in theory…

> We've already lost when an arrest is equivalent to a conviction.

source on that?

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Post by gumby »

analogmemory wrote: post #4
devoply wrote: post #3

The message here is clear: Don't protest or you might lose your job. I will say it again, despite being down-voted last time, these are chilling effects on activism in the United States. They prevent democracy from happening. This means democracy is broken and needs fixing. Activism is the only way that egregious problems like racism in the United States got fixed, without activism black people would still be under J…

If I lose my job for protesting or activism then fuck that employer. There should be a database of companies that fire people for their off hours activism.

> If I lose my job for protesting or activism then fuck that employer.

Don't forget you're lucky you can say such a thing. Many people are desperate for a job.

All the more reason to protest of course!

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Post by leereeves »

troncheadle wrote: post #55
leereeves wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Violence wasn't limited to a handful of anarchists during the inauguration. There have been numerous incidents of assault, arson, vandalism, looting, and such during protests for at least a couple years now, starting with BLM protests long before Trump and the election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest Some prominent activists have even defended these acts. For example, Deeray McKesson called In Defense…

Just... so much wrong here. First and foremost, you are still characterizing an entire movement by it's worst actors, so the point of the poster above you stands. Second -- 'Ferguson' was a community reacting to a state sponsored murder -- not a 'BLM protest'. They weren't out there for BLM, they were out there because Ferguson cops enacted violence on their community. Finally, calling 'in defense of looting' require…

First, while I don't want to argue the case of the shooting of Michael Brown here (nor do I have any special knowledge to add to the publicly available facts), you've jumped to conclusions regarding the case ("a state sponsored murder").

The grand jury did not find enough evidence to charge the officer and even CNN said "Some [witnesses] admitted lying. Others changed their stories under questioning."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/14/justice/ferguson-witnesses-cre...

You've clearly decided the facts of the case based not on evidence but on your own world view so kindly spare me spurious accusations of doing so.

Second, I'm not characterizing an entire movement, I'm merely referencing the events.

I'm not merely referring to Ferguson, that's simply one example of many, so I used a general term. You may prefer other terms but I suspect that you know what I'm referring to when I use the term "BLM protests".

Third, while Mein Kampf may be required reading for its historical importance, do tell, why would In Defense of Looting be required reading if not for the position it advocates?

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So this is being downvoted without response - why?

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